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#1 Re : Update list » New Trophy Avaliable » 03-09-2011 00:27:43

Sorry to disappoint you, but this card only effects the opponent after he played his card, so it won't counter like obesity.

#2 Re : Deck and Strategy » Funny Discard Deck » 02-09-2011 20:05:31

When I said Im curious I meant about the main concept with these three character.

I saw tons of time your deck, it is more powerful, more effective, but tons of people don't have hundred thousands of crystal because they don't waste that much of free time or money in this game.

I would like to edit the topic name to Cheap and Funny Discard Deck but I can't. (I mean below 50k)

Otherwise how effective your deck in ELO? Don't get as offense, Im just curious how strong a powerful discard deck.

#3 Re : Deck and Strategy » Funny Discard Deck » 02-09-2011 18:50:27

MrLordi92 a écrit :

Not entirely.  From a Magic standpoint, Aggro decks (analyzing how to kill your opponent before he kills you, as you put it.) are easier to play than Circus, which translates to a control-mill style of playing.  On the surface it might seem like an easy deck to win with and a cheap way at that, but it's a little harder to play than 'Buff my character, buff my character.....  Crap, didn't kill him yet.'

But that's just my opinion.

The deck just.....  Not good IMO.  But, since you don't like discard anyways, I won't bother suggesting anything to you.  After all, this is a 'funny deck' to you.

Sorry if I expressed myself misleading, but I'm not a native English speaker.

I used the "funny" because it was funny to play with this deck, but after around 100-150 match I definitely bore it I didn't find intention to improve it, so I shared it.

I never said this is a good deck, but what do you wait from 30-50k crystal (or much less if you exchange bunny for Fallback). I stopped around 1650 ELO point with it after that my win rate reduced to 50%.

I would never shared this deck if I thought it is a boring cheater and otherwise weak deck. I did it because maybe I can give funny experiences for players who don't have millions of crystals.

In tactical card games I usually like versatile decks what have several combinations in it and you need to thinking. You are right in Eredan there are much simplier decks than discard what wins with brute character force (like most Kotoba uberbrutal defense decks) or built on one card combination what usually kill the opponent (like items have a soul), but the metagame of discard decks I and my brother saw or uses are too simple and straighforward for my taste, but worth enough to experience it.

So please share your thoughts I would like to hear you opinions about the pro and cons this deck and maybe you can suggest some improvements what dodged my mind. smile

#4 Deck and Strategy » Funny Discard Deck » 02-09-2011 12:59:35

Ryel
Réponses : 5

[card]Abyssien, the devourer[/card]
[card]Salem[/card]
[card]Oogoe Kage[/card] (Zil version)

3x [card]Panic[/card]
2x [card]Treacherous[/card]
1x [card]Mental Syphon[/card]
2x [card]Theft[/card]
2x [card]Contortion[/card]
2x [card]Look Away[/card]
1x [card]Ventriloquism[/card]
1x [card]Tadaa! You're a bunny![/card]
1x [card]Watcher[/card]
3x [card]Vanish[/card]
1x [card]Anathematize[/card]
1x [card]Magic Shield[/card]

I really hate circus discard decks, but I tried it because I really don't want to say harsh opinion about something I've never tried. This is my discard deck with my own taste.

General Strategy
Everybody know Panic, Treacherous, Theft and Mental Syphon able to suck your deck dry and you will be stand there, lost, and feel despair and seek justice.
Abyssien can chain Panic and Mental Syphon and able to use also Treacherous, and he is a thougth bastard who able to heal up to 4 point.
Salem has a good turn bonus what lower your attack, can chain Panic and able to use theft.
The new flavour in this deck is Oogoe Kage the Crow Warrior. He is a Courtisan and also a Zil Warrior so you can use in this deck. He can use Treacherous but his only purpose in this deck is to survive. With the help of Vanish he is very good in it.
So just suck dry the deck and hand of the opponent and be aware to Oogoe survive.

Tips and tricks
Be aware of one hit kills, but doesn't use Vanish in the first 3 rounds, you want the enemy focus on Abyssien and Salem, and after they do their job the opponent will be almost helpless against your 3-4 Vanish turn.

Utility cards
Tadaa! You're a bunny! is a very good defensive card against hard hitters, mainly you'll use it to save Oogoe in his first or second battle but it will help for the others too, because you need 1-3 turn with both Abyssien and Salem to discard the enemy deck.

Contortion is a good card because it can help your Circus characters to survive, and have the potential to discard a card, a really painful card from your opponent deck or hand.

Ventriloquism has too purpose. Firstly it helps to regain your discard and some of the defensive cards, what gives you a small chance against distasteful opponents like new Dragon Knight [card]Arkalon[/card], Nomad priests with [card]Solar Plastron[/card], or anybody use the [card]A New Start[/card]. Secondary it is able to help in the discard russian roulette against other discard deck.

Watcher is a good versatile card. You can use it in chain before Vanish and you can regain Vanish, Treacherous, Theft, Contortion and your defensive cards, depends on situation.

Anathematize a must have, doesn't because [card]Weapons at will[/card] or [card]Items have a soul[/card], you make joke from those cards with Vanish. In the middle of the game use it, preferably after used up all Panic. It useful against the other discard decks, and against anybody who able to return cards from discard deck to hand or deck. One time I won with this card because I used this just before the enemy wanted to use Hungry void to activate A New Start again. I was very lucky and my timing was awesome.

Magic Shield helps against mages, and it can save your ass if the enemy wanted to use area spell. I mainly use it with Oogoe if I dont have Vanish in my hand against mages, or with the other if I think the enemy want to kill Oogoe with an area damage spell.

Weaknesses, or how to beat this.
The nemesis of discard decks is A New Start or any little brother effects of it. This version also have this weakness, and this is why pure discard decks can't hit the top ELO.

Decks what have high chance on one hit kills are also dangerous (like Zil Maraduers, The Pack, some Crow decks, Trackers and brutal Noz Mages). You have difficulties if Abyssien or Salem dies in their first battle, and you technically lose if Oogoe is killed. Use your defensive cards to prevent this.

Before Abyssien and Salem dies you need to discard the enemy, except he is stupid and use his cards on you Vanished Oogoe. Oogoe is only able to use Treacherous so if you need sacrifice your other chars but discard the enemy.

Indirect hitters and area damagers are also dangerous. Oogoe usually have enough health to survive if he is at full hit points, but the best tactics against indirect hitters to doesn't use Vanish too early so when they realize the potential danger it's too late because only Oogoe is alive and they don't have enough cards.

Vanish has some weakness too. First is if the enemy is smart enough he won't waste cards against Oogoe. Second weakness is Vanish only dismiss damage dealt on the user, so the AoE damages effect on other characters, indirect hits also. Third weakness is Vanish only effect after activated so if the enemy deal damage before you use it, that counts (for examle [card]Static charge[/card], [card]Conquer or Perish[/card], any damage spell). The last weakness is [card]Obesity[/card], what just counter it. So analyze the situation and think about twice to use something before Vanish in chain and try to use Oogoe when you have the initiate and you cards activate before the opponents.

Epilouge
It was funny for 1-2 days, but after I upgraded all the chars from level 1 to max I bored it to hell. Discard decks tactics doesn't need to much brain, it's much easier to count how many card the opponent have than analyze how can you kill the opponent before he finish you, or how can do more points than him, or which combination gives you the best result in a situation.

#5 Re : Deck and Strategy » Welcome to : New Crow Deck » 02-09-2011 11:38:59

zoolander a écrit :

Temporal Paradox have place in this deck??

You can use it but there are much better cards for crows because only Toran, Malyss and Yu Ling can use it, and only Malyss get chain. [card]Bleeding[/card] better for spirit lowering and its permanent and chain, [card]Wall-passer[/card] doesn't but it's more versatile. [card]Disagreement[/card], [card]Tatamijutsu[/card] better defensive cards with chain (also works better against elfine multiattacks), not to mention [card]Fallback[/card] and [card]Tadaa! You're a bunny.[/card].

#6 Re : Update list » ITCG : The Judge » 26-08-2011 18:07:58

It was a damn hard trophy but I made it.

My Crows with Tsume, Iaido, and Vanish easily made only magic damage, but the remain under 30 damage was insane even with Randori/Disagreement/Bunny/Fallback and other tons of defensive cards too.

#7 Re : Update list » New Debate » 12-08-2011 13:48:52

Have you already played the caste Deck, if yes which one(s) ?

My first and favourite caste deck is Crow. I tried a lot of variants including mixed caste decks (crow-tsoutai, crow-tracker) I don't like the new update very much.

I also tried some Tracker, Witchblade, Mechanist decks too. I'm thinking about to make an Eclipse deck

-Did you prefer a certain caste character like Avaloniens (Aez) or Hares The Runic ?

Definetely no, but I would like much more mercenary based or non-Guild cards. Maybe a card what play immidiatly a card from the deck/graveyard what contains the character name in the description.

I think Mercenaries need to be more attractive to put in guild decks too. Maybe they would be able to ignore the guild restriction of deck base. For example Aez use imperial armor in Kotoba deck or Dragon's Wit in Noz deck.

People don't like to use mercenaries in other decks because they card choice are limited compared with guild characters in deck.

- Do you think that the castes are competitive enough on ELO? If yes, at what point and with which tools?

I don't think so. Top Elo decks mostly based on brute force cards or powerful combinations.

- What do you think of the involvement of the caste characters in the storyline of Eredan?

I only read the first Act but I canceled my readings because it wasn't too enjoyable. Sometimes I search after a character what I like in it and read 1-2 section.

Do you have comments or suggestions that you would like us to know about concerning the castes?

1) Make much more cross caste cards and characters it helps to make cross caste deck's. For Example in Kotoba castes there are at least one character between each castes (Toran, Hime, Malyss)
2) Kotoba Castes are very well developed, you have hight variety of choices to build unique decks. They also has unique game mechanics and gameplay too, and good versality in races and classes. I think they are good enough for a long time.
3) Noz Castes are almost as good, but they have simplier more predicted gameplay, and their castes are more separeted, you wont want to mix them up. Compedium need one more character and much more non character card it would be nice to see a Water mage, and more compedium spell.
Dragon knights are strong enough now, but they would be glad for one more character.
A new Witchblade would also nice (maybe a witchblade-dragon knight character, or a witchblade character who automatically starts with the jewel what makes her dragon knight if it is in the deck). Witches also need more light spell.
I think Noz Castes are the best in ELO now so improvements not necesarry needed.
4) Zil have maybe the most unique Castes. The Circus get their update and variety. The Pack is also brutal, but I would like to see some new Pets, and cards what effects on them. (Maybe an action card what do if you have a pet and your health dropped under zero, immidiatly remove the pet and your health becomes 1)
It would be nice to see a shadow guelemite based caste too but it don't necessery.
5)Nomads get their third Caste too. I think they are good. You don't have much caste specific non-character cards but who said you only need caste specific cards in your caste deck. They have some very powerful character, and some brutal cards too.
6) I think Sap Hearts, Pirates, Nehants don't need more castes. They all have unique flavor in gameplay with some great combos and decks, they need now more general cards.
7) Courtisans really need some improvement. I think the best would be if you change the deck construction rule from
"You need a common base guild and every character in your deck (except if he is a mercenary) needs to have the common guild."
to
"just above except if all of your character Mercenary or Courtisan, you don't need to share guild." (What makes legal the Kimiko, Psalm, Dandy deck)
or
"Every character in the deck need to share a guild with at least one other character (mercenaries doesn't count)" (What makes more variety between courtisans or use courtisan character as connection between single guild characters)

#8 Suggestions » Search filter improvements » 04-08-2011 11:23:20

Ryel
Réponses : 0

I work as search engine developer so I suggest some nice improvement on the marketplace and card collection searcher.

1)
It would be nice to search in card text in another search box or at least make an Effect category with Chain, Permanent, Attack, Defense, Spirit, Health, etc... filters
2)
Resize the filter box because uncomfortable to use more than one filter category
3)
Store the last used search options at least the Character/Other cards, Foil/Non-Foil cards
4)
The subcategories in Types doesn't work it would be nice to list all the Items, or all the Spells or all the Theurgies
5)
Have an option to save the search query and options to later recall (for example Non-Foil Guelemite Characters ordered by Name)
6)
The default order of Non Character Cards be the Price not the Name
7)
New Filter category: Rarity
8)
Option to only show level 1 type of the character and another option to show only the final evolutions
9)
It is a bit difficult but ability to choose a character and list all the card she is able to use and vice versa.
10)
Split the character and non character cards in two window or at least let us open 2 or more copy of market window

Otherwise I love this game. smile

#9 Re : Discussions about Eredan iTCG » Increasing Nº of Guilds = 3rd Guild for Courtesans? » 04-08-2011 10:51:33

I've played Eredan for two months but I've played bazzillions of tactical card games since 98 so I have some though about this topic.

I thought the main concept of courtisans of their versality and flexibility.

So I would like to see new courtisans not three guild monsters.

There are 58 valid combination of pure courtisan decks without Ishaia, and some of them are very funny and relative good. (Hasna-Kimiko-Angelica, Galmara-Ooge-X,  and the Sitar hero versions).

They also have very good cards.

Say any non-courtisan card what...

-give you +2 defense and chain (Tatamijutsu doesn't work if you have item, Disagreement rise the enemy defense too)
-do direct not magic area damage what are only avoidable by Jorusians and Disappaerence (Storm, but it is unique and damage your characters too)
-permanently lower all enemy attack or spirit what usually main source of the damage
-give one or more than one permanent bonus to all of your characters (Lunation for Pack)
-give possibly +5 attack in the first turn for one hit kill (+10 with Time to Die +7 with Voodoo)

Okay courtisan cards have some restrictions, but I think its okay, because because every guild and every caste has advantages and drawbacks and you have to choice to raise your advantages or try to lower your drawbacks when you build a deck.

Just my two cents...

#10 Re : Discussions about Eredan iTCG » Increasing Nº of Guilds = 3rd Guild for Courtesans? » 02-08-2011 21:59:24

I don't see you point.

Courtisans are fun, they aren't competitive without Ishaia, but they are fun, and have great combinations in deck construction.

They can use much more card than any normal character include golems and guelemites.

They have very good combinative chain cards.  They have very good permanent action cards.

I think they are okay this way, and yes, some characters cant use every caste specific cards as good than others, but name any caste where every character can maximize the effect of caste specific cards.

#11 Re : Update list » New Exorcist Trophy and Protector in store! » 31-07-2011 11:11:46

The direct damage screw the thropy. (I tested with my Hasna-Angelica-Kimiko deck but it wasn't count to the physical part).

This is a thropy designed for crow (the reward also best for crows).

It's relative easy, just equip [card]Tsume[/card] on each character or use Vanish (or [card]Restored Honor[/card] or [card]Iaido[/card] ) if you don't have any in your hand.

Other solution is a pure mage deck but it will cost much more because you also need to win (you need to use good damage spells or [card]Fog Hydra[/card]).

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