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#1 05-01-2013 15:55:42

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Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

I was trainning Alishk (draconic version), when i have tested a few draconic spells with him.
The bug is with crystallization:

"""Each time that an opposing character deals physical damage towards you, he has attack -1, permanent."""

Well I supposed that Alishk will increase its effect, this way: +1 to draconic spell effects, but the result is ZERO.

I can read in the card, +1 in EFFECTS, so with crystallization:

-1 attack + 1 effects=-1 attack + (-1) attack = -2

But you can see how this card has NO effect with Alishk: something like this:

-1 +1 = 0??? This is a wrong interpretation about the meaning of the effects' card.

With Ketenir's hand occurs the same wrong calculus.

Dernière modification par Trasnochador (05-01-2013 15:57:10)


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#2 05-01-2013 15:58:22

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

Because Feerik hasn't separated effects into offensive and defensive.

Feerik should distinguish wich effects are meant to be increased or decreased.

Example, a spell that reduces your own stats should be neutralized.
But a spell that reduces enemy stats should be amplified.


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#3 05-01-2013 16:06:42

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

But it's simple: (The effect) + 2 times (The effect) if the effect is negative:

-1 + 2*(-1)=-3 ---->BASIC MATHS where is the problem with the programation?


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#4 05-01-2013 16:16:29

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

I know it's simple.

But somehow it's too complicated for Feerik.


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#5 05-01-2013 16:18:09

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

Nurvus a écrit :

I know it's simple.

But somehow it's too complicated for Feerik.


xD


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#6 05-01-2013 16:35:00

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

A guy with a homer pic talking about basic maths?
alrighty-then-92437230886.jpeg


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#7 05-01-2013 16:44:04

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

BladeOfTheWitch a écrit :

A guy with a homer pic talking about basic maths?
http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0 … 30886.jpeg

Even Homer understands this ;-)


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#8 05-01-2013 16:56:58

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

basic math is:
-1+2=1

that's how it works. (same applies with ishaia)
I know it sounds stupid, but this is intentded by the staff, and there has already be several posts about this issue, which all recieved the same answer.


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#9 05-01-2013 17:24:07

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

skadooosh a écrit :

basic math is:
-1+2=1

that's how it works. (same applies with ishaia)
I know it sounds stupid, but this is intentded by the staff, and there has already be several posts about this issue, which all recieved the same answer.

When Feerik says such a ridiculous mechanic is intended, it really gets to my nerves.
The same crap happens with the way Printed Attacks are handled when I presented the issue with Cerebral Crook + Darkat.

It takes less work to come up with an excuse to say it's intended, than to actually fix stuff.


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#10 05-01-2013 18:26:19

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

I don't use Alishk, neither "crystallization", but i'm worry about this "random maths", eredan's world has its own maths? Eredan's Maths!!! A lot of mistakes that are "right" because these are "intended"?

Is much work programming this:

Effect card + Effect character

Effect card=-1

Effect character= +2*(effect chard)

so:

-1 +2*(-1)= -3 ??


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#11 05-01-2013 18:52:00

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

shame but thats how they work...
all they care about is your money, release cards every weak, bugs doesnt matter, community issues doesnt matter, fairplay doesnt matter.
Even if a Staff member wins Amnezy using 3 times Scargh, he gets a medal and a promotion. -.- eidechse, i know who.

you get excuses only. and it works, since day one.
imo thats the main difference to slavir nabru, the game is balanced n taking care of their players.

i worked as a moderator here for about 2 years, thought being able to improve, to change just a little, nothing. i saw much stuff that made me think "wtf" instead.


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#12 05-01-2013 22:24:58

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

Hey man stop acting like you don't understand.
Alishk has +2 to the effect of dragonic spell.
The effect of cristalisation is att-1 each time opponents deals physical damage...
So the effect if crystallization is used by alishk is att-1(+2)=+1 each time opponents deals physical damage...

It may be stupid, but this is basic maths...!


BTW the guy from the staff that played 3 sragh made only a few matches in amnezy not enough to win the tournament. It was a test run with modified characters.
Stop saying bs please!

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#13 05-01-2013 23:44:47

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

skadooosh a écrit :

Hey man stop acting like you don't understand.
Alishk has +2 to the effect of dragonic spell.
The effect of cristalisation is att-1 each time opponents deals physical damage...
So the effect if crystallization is used by alishk is att-1(+2)=+1 each time opponents deals physical damage...

It may be stupid, but this is basic maths...!


BTW the guy from the staff that played 3 sragh made only a few matches in amnezy not enough to win the tournament. It was a test run with modified characters.
Stop saying bs please!

Let's learn maths.

EFFECT PLUS TWO TIME EFFECT IS EQUAL THREE, for positive numbers or for negative numbers.

1 + 2* (1) =3

-1 + 2*(-1)= -3

Don't act like a university professor if you don't have any idea about this question.

TWO TIMES A NEGATIVE EFFECT IS 2*(-1) If you know another universe with another maths rules, perfect. It's a common mistake sustract or add negative numbers, but in the school...

This operation is rigth: -1+2=1 PERFECT YOU DISCOVERED AMERICA wooooohoo!!

But we're talking about EFFECTS. And Crystallization NEVER would GIVE attack to my opponent!


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#14 06-01-2013 05:27:35

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

Trasnochador a écrit :
skadooosh a écrit :

Hey man stop acting like you don't understand.
Alishk has +2 to the effect of dragonic spell.
The effect of cristalisation is att-1 each time opponents deals physical damage...
So the effect if crystallization is used by alishk is att-1(+2)=+1 each time opponents deals physical damage...

It may be stupid, but this is basic maths...!


BTW the guy from the staff that played 3 sragh made only a few matches in amnezy not enough to win the tournament. It was a test run with modified characters.
Stop saying bs please!

Let's learn maths.

EFFECT PLUS TWO TIME EFFECT IS EQUAL THREE, for positive numbers or for negative numbers.

1 + 2* (1) =3

-1 + 2*(-1)= -3

Don't act like a university professor if you don't have any idea about this question.

TWO TIMES A NEGATIVE EFFECT IS 2*(-1) If you know another universe with another maths rules, perfect. It's a common mistake sustract or add negative numbers, but in the school...

This operation is rigth: -1+2=1 PERFECT YOU DISCOVERED AMERICA wooooohoo!!

But we're talking about EFFECTS. And Crystallization NEVER would GIVE attack to my opponent!

Obviously, but the programming team doesn't care that there is a problem like this. If you take his effect of adding 2 then -1 becomes +1 since it says +2 on the card they can get away with saying it is intended that way. It is not right that they do that, but that is just their faulty programming.


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#15 06-01-2013 10:35:41

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

I stop arguing...
You don't want to understand that's your problem...
But it is the explanation, and it is the right maths! (whatever you think or wish )

If they say it's correct, it's correct. It doesn't seem that hard to modify (I mean they fixed bugs that were a lot more difficult...!) It has always been like this since the beginning of the game. You don't like it fine. But this is intended!

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#16 06-01-2013 11:53:17

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Re : Bug with Alishk. Basics Maths.

alishk says it has +2 to the effect, so WHY are you talking about PLUS 2 TIMES the effect?
a card that says Attack +2 doesn't mean attack plus 2 times the attack,
so if the effet is +3, the final result will be +3+2=+5, but if the effect is -1, the final effect will be -1+2=+1

no need to argue, this is not basic math, but just english


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