And I insist on calling it pay to pay or at least pay to have fun. The amount of time you need to grind out a good deck then the amount to grind out for the cx to play in a tourny are so high that by the time you do so, new more powerful cards will have come out. Then you'll have to grin to afford them as no deck will be caught dead with out them and the cycle continues.

Better to pay and have every thing that not pay and be "a normal warrior".

Calandra · 12-09-2012 20:47:42

MerlinCross a écrit :

And I insist on calling it pay to pay or at least pay to have fun. The amount of time you need to grind out a good deck then the amount to grind out for the cx to play in a tourny are so high that by the time you do so, new more powerful cards will have come out. Then you'll have to grin to afford them as no deck will be caught dead with out them and the cycle continues.
Better to pay and have every thing that not pay and be "a normal warrior".

so following your argumentation... you have 2 choices left... either you pay and have fun (and hopefully stop the tears) or you have fun elsewhere...

MerlinCross · 12-09-2012 21:06:39

Calandra a écrit :

so following your argumentation... you have 2 choices left... either you pay and have fun (and hopefully stop the tears) or you have fun elsewhere...

Hmm, man up and pay or leave?

Guess I should leave if people like you see no problem what so ever. By the way, when was the last time you had to sit in the first adventure mode fight for crystals? Oh wait sounds like you paid.

Go ahead and lock this mods. At this rate it's going to go downhill and a another topic talks about the issue better.

Darken Rahl · 12-09-2012 21:14:43

MerlinCross a écrit :

Calandra a écrit :
so following your argumentation... you have 2 choices left... either you pay and have fun (and hopefully stop the tears) or you have fun elsewhere...
Hmm, man up and pay or leave?
Guess I should leave if people like you see no problem what so ever. By the way, when was the last time you had to sit in the first adventure mode fight for crystals? Oh wait sounds like you paid.
Go ahead and lock this mods. At this rate it's going to go downhill and a another topic talks about the issue better.

even though for some paying make the game fun i'll say for myself i don't pay and i enjoy the game alot sure buy packs can help but it doesn't garuntee you will get the cards you want.

but hey if you really want to complain about having to pay for pack so you can get ahead then you really don't enjoy the game win or lose for me its the fun

MerlinCross · 12-09-2012 21:39:02

Darken Rahl a écrit :

even though for some paying make the game fun i'll say for myself i don't pay and i enjoy the game alot sure buy packs can help but it doesn't garuntee you will get the cards you want.
but hey if you really want to complain about having to pay for pack so you can get ahead then you really don't enjoy the game win or lose for me its the fun

Yes paying for packs doesn't mean you'll get the cards. But you can then sell said cards to then buy the cards you want/need.

As for fun, I like the gameplay, but the room I'm in consists mainly of people that have been playing longer than I have and have better cards, or people that have payed and have better cards. By the time I or any F2P player can catch up in terms of card power, new ones will be made that the older vet players will pick up easy or the paying players will just get with money. A game is not fun if you get beat down everytime you even try to play against someone else other than the computer. And even then the computer can beat you down with how tough the adventure fights are on new or F2P players.

All and all, I would just like 2 changes.

1) Let us sell cards we get in Adventure. Getting a rare card is nice but what's the point if I need to buy all the other cards to go with it.

2) Up the amount of crystals earned. I'm not asking for much. Maybe 30 for a loss, 60 for a win, 100 for perfect? Or maybe bonus crystals for in fight achivements. Like +5 crystals for having the strongest ATK or defense.

I'm not asking for the game to be free. But some changes would make it easier for new and F2P players to want to stick around.

Darken Rahl · 12-09-2012 21:48:16

MerlinCross a écrit :

Darken Rahl a écrit :
even though for some paying make the game fun i'll say for myself i don't pay and i enjoy the game alot sure buy packs can help but it doesn't garuntee you will get the cards you want.
but hey if you really want to complain about having to pay for pack so you can get ahead then you really don't enjoy the game win or lose for me its the fun
Yes paying for packs doesn't mean you'll get the cards. But you can then sell said cards to then buy the cards you want/need.
As for fun, I like the gameplay, but the room I'm in consists mainly of people that have been playing longer than I have and have better cards, or people that have payed and have better cards. By the time I or any F2P player can catch up in terms of card power, new ones will be made that the older vet players will pick up easy or the paying players will just get with money. A game is not fun if you get beat down everytime you even try to play against someone else other than the computer. And even then the computer can beat you down with how tough the adventure fights are on new or F2P players.
All and all, I would just like 2 changes.
1) Let us sell cards we get in Adventure. Getting a rare card is nice but what's the point if I need to buy all the other cards to go with it.
2) Up the amount of crystals earned. I'm not asking for much. Maybe 30 for a loss, 60 for a win, 100 for perfect? Or maybe bonus crystals for in fight achivements. Like +5 crystals for having the strongest ATK or defense.
I'm not asking for the game to be free. But some changes would make it easier for new and F2P players to want to stick around.

now i can agree with those changes i think not being able to sell cards you get in adventure mode is kind of dumb and gets furstrating when you have 6 or 7 of the same cards.

and an increase in the crystals would make ftp players more competitive for buying cards in the market

IronMask · 12-09-2012 23:11:48

i never gave to feerik a single euro, it's against my philosophy to pay for a game. I spent a little of my time doing free feez (not so much, i get bored easily) making the characters evolve with my friends to sell them to an higher price, buying cheap cards that will raise once new cards come out. There are a lot of way to make a lot of crystals, and paying to open boosters it's not the easyest metod, nehiter the safer. Think, you can buy a lot of booster risking to find a lot of kroub in your collection

Darken Rahl · 12-09-2012 23:19:36

IronMask a écrit :

i never gave to feerik a single euro, it's against my philosophy to pay for a game. I spent a little of my time doing free feez (not so much, i get bored easily) making the characters evolve with my friends to sell them to an higher price, buying cheap cards that will raise once new cards come out. There are a lot of way to make a lot of crystals, and paying to open boosters it's not the easyest metod, nehiter the safer. Think, you can buy a lot of booster risking to find a lot of kroub in your collection

I totaly agree

esyla_Nosibreh · 12-09-2012 23:44:49

Hi I'm new to the game and to the forum as for what the post starts off: i don't pay to play and have a 94% win from 334 fights it wasn't hard to get but that's off topic. As for the topic at hand as a new player I have to say adventure mode >< realy have to agree with most people on this its free but, but free crap.... as for rooms i don't scare from fights but don't fight a battle I know I will lose.
As for tournament's come on that's what there their for. if your not cream of the crop stay out.
As for changes i would like to see: Ok lets start with the tutorial why gain exp and lvl thru it.If the tutorial didn't make you lvl you would start the game as lvl 1 not 5 and not only that its a tutorial! its teaching you the game... then the new starter deck are nice and some do have more to give than others in game play...but the rooms do get to big to fast and most of the new events give you tons of trophy so you hit the one trophy that gives you 5000 exp then your screwed. but narrow the room windows, if i want to fight a lvl 20 when your 11 that's your choice not a good one but never mind. 3 lvl (gaps) for rooms but still give the room for all user game play kinda like in the beginning lvl 7 could only fight 7-10.
As for adventure: yes free cards free crystal (when you have the energy) but not as fun as i would like to grind for a card like fight or 10 xp cards i would rather use training rooms than the exp cards as rewards. and favor why even have them just drive us crazy!...
As for events: I have not been able to win big events like stranger other muti quest related quest they where to complected or i would have to pay to finish it, but have won some event unique weekly cards thou they where no always east to get. Thank you if this gives you an outlook form someone who is new to the game.

Zorak · 13-09-2012 01:37:55

I play since Salem's release (December 2010). It makes 21 months playing Eredan.
I'm lvl 20, with 6934 matches according to my trophies. That gives me around 11 matches/day or about 1 hour playing (5~6 min matches). Not that hardcore.
So lets make a quick math.
(I got the 500 perfect trophie a while ago, so I'm estimating the number of perfects)

Simple victories: 3961 x 40 = 158,400

Perfects: 700 x 70 = 49,000

Defeats: 2543 x 20 = 50,860

Total : 258,300 crystals.

That's all the cx I farmed in about 2 years playing. Double that number with crystals earned with trophies (being generous) and you get about 500k cx. And my collection is close to complete (I have all the legendaries and every guild complete but Noz) that means that I always have a good deck that can give me a lot of victories.

Now tell me. Some say that eventually you can get good deck/collection playing for free. Do you really believe that? Play for free to farm 250k in 2 years not having any fun. I think that the first FTP to register will get his good competitive deck in 2015, and then he'll realyze that his deck is obsolete.

If you wanna rage quit like a mofo, live a world of frustration after you hit the big leagues and be happy when you land a kill on a boss by pure luck and get a favor as prize, then play Eredan Free to Play mode.

Dernière modification par Zorak (13-09-2012 01:41:16)

Calandra · 13-09-2012 10:43:12

hahaha funny... i m playing since 4 november 2010 which is almost 2 years as well and i got 9071 battles with 5351 wins... dunno how many perfects since i ve got that trophy quite some time ago...

anyways i m too lazy to do the maths but i think they will result in somewhat the same numbers that Zorak has given... i totally agree with what he says up to one point...

yes you indeed can get a competetive deck for free if you safe cx long enough to buy modern cards a short while after being released... so its possible!

another thing is that the 'newer' players forget (or never knew) that once upon a time there wasnt such a thing as adventure mode... and getting free cards (even rare cards) is a way to safe a whole bunch of cx or even gain some by selling the older equivalent of your collection...

making cx is not only bound to grinding in battles... you can also try your luck with the market! for example my best shot was that i bought 5 aging before tempus was released for 5-7k each... and i had to keep em for months waiting... when tempus got new cards the price for aging went up to 75k each which is when i sold mine again

if you dont want to spend money on the game but still want the access on the market then go and do surveys for feez... buy a favor in AM and you get access to sell cards u like...

if you want to start farming efficiently in AM mode then get 2 decks which somehow win you all the bosses... (discard, Demon-may-rise-nehants)

towards increasing the amount of gained cx each fight... please dont even think that this will help you with anything... sure there are more 100 cx cards that you can buy but the rest will adjust according to the cx in game... in fact there are too much cx in the game already thats why we have prices that are up like whatnot...

i also support Zorak and i ll say the same: if you are not happy in this game then maybe its not a game meant for you to play... in fact it is free cause noone forces you to buy anything... you just have that individiual subjective feeling of wanting to be better and u limit yourself by not using what is given... and please always remember that there have been times when players were not given anything at all...

- events were meant for paying players only (no way to get around buying boosters or pay a feez entry fee or the like)
- only half the cx earned for a fight in the amnezey tournament
- no free feez options
- no AM
- no hour tournaments
- 5 matches a day limit on trainingsroom

Damncaster · 13-09-2012 13:03:07

I remember that when i started to play Eredan the weekly trophie was storm xD (at that time only at my borther´s account)yup the first one but then i stoped for a while and came back when act 2 was released "with my own account" (i really loved those crows), at those days the game was really something u needed to play all day to buy a card BUT you could do a deck in a few days (well the cards were less those days) and my rating dropped alot ´cause we couldn´t use training room ...
I do believe the game changed some things for good like AM and others for bad (Market) and i don´t agree that we are forced to pay u can see i play the game for a really long time but i got really good decks these days... u don´t need to pay unless you wanna be the best and what´s the deal of spending like 2 euros each month just to open the market? plus you get to buy a basic boosters wich can give you eaven a legend? Some say i´m nuts but new players forget what the olders came across till these days TT-TT. btw Calandra feelbro.

P.S: I haven´t done any event till these year xD

Dernière modification par Damncaster (13-09-2012 13:05:32)

YAMAZAKARIA · 13-09-2012 13:09:44

you can unlock the market with just 12 feez if you buy 1 favor on the adventure mode.
the free feez fonction is your friend.

mrmutantlarry · 13-09-2012 13:43:05

Yes elo is only for paying players, but one thing I like about this game is there is a lot to do. So what if you cant compete in ELO, I cant either and I have played for almost 2 years or more. Adventures, the events, and just making decks are where I get my fun, I think this is the only game I have stuck with because its not just one thing but a lot of different things, find what you like a have fun. Now whens poker start

iQuit · 13-09-2012 14:10:57

Meh .... " the game doesn't force you to pay " . Yep .

I don't talk about being a f2p player here , f2p in a "trading" card game is impossible or you have lots of time or you have been a very old member of the game ( when the cards were insanely cheap ) .

But for new players , they pay to ( stop gettin their ass kicked ) get a real start to the game . But the game just does not have much to attract new players to spend , beside getting new cards .

examples :
- You still get your ass kicked in elo
- Most adventure campaign needs the right deck to run and there are only 2 campaigns that don't require you to build a deck for them .
- Your deck is still not completed just for buying 1 or 2 boosters

So it is " the game requires you to pay quite alot to access to other things other than level room and 2 campaigns . And you are gonna have an inconvenient start "

Right now i'm just spending a little feez every month to run my "market business" . But to have this convenience i had to spend quite alot to start ( i started playing in 2011 )

And btw saying " You have to pay(a lot) to be competitive " in a card game is like " Go free-to-play and be a punchbag " although i agree with this , but some ppl are gonna find it bad and quit .

But hey , look on the bright side , the new starters are the proofs that feerik is still trying to make the game open for more people . It's gonna take a long time but let's wait .

Dernière modification par iQuit (13-09-2012 14:22:40)

Nurvus · 13-09-2012 14:28:17

Some of the posters so far are forgetting...

- Adventure Mode pretty much only gives you ANYTHING worthwhile if you beat a Boss.
- Most Bosses can only be beaten by a couple of somewhat specific Decks.
- To get to certain bosses, sometimes you also need specific decks along the way.

To a free player this is nearly impossible.

So Adventure Mode is NOT a way to get cards for free.
It's a way for PAYING PLAYERS to get cards for free.

This game is a FAKE FREE TO PLAY, and it's an OVERTUNED PAY TO WIN.

Feerik has the wrong idea of what keeps players interested in a game.
Feerik is too afraid of letting free players grow closer to paying players thinking they will lose subscribers.
As long as fear drives Feerik, we will see stuff made mostly to please the big whales.

It's a narrow-minded, short-sighted design.

Dernière modification par Nurvus (13-09-2012 14:31:51)

Zorak · 13-09-2012 17:07:59

Nurvus a écrit :

Some of the posters so far are forgetting...
- Adventure Mode pretty much only gives you ANYTHING worthwhile if you beat a Boss.
- Most Bosses can only be beaten by a couple of somewhat specific Decks.
- To get to certain bosses, sometimes you also need specific decks along the way.
To a free player this is nearly impossible.
So Adventure Mode is NOT a way to get cards for free.
It's a way for PAYING PLAYERS to get cards for free.
This game is a FAKE FREE TO PLAY, and it's an OVERTUNED PAY TO WIN.
Feerik has the wrong idea of what keeps players interested in a game.
Feerik is too afraid of letting free players grow closer to paying players thinking they will lose subscribers.
As long as fear drives Feerik, we will see stuff made mostly to please the big whales.
It's a narrow-minded, short-sighted design.

^
This.
All that we said so far was not to try to scare new players, but to show the community how big is the gap betwen fpt, eventual buyers and hardcore buyers and how detrimental it is for the game.
I dont ask for free stuff and I think that most of you think the same. I just want the game to be more accecible for all.

MerlinCross · 13-09-2012 23:07:57

Save up crystals to buy deck okay.
Save up crystals to buy deck needed to farm in adventure mode.
Save up crystals to buy deck needed to actually get to the bosses to farm.

So now I need 3-4 decks. How many crystals am I in for now, not counting the newer stronger cards I'll need to buy to keep up.

And yes, I can do it. For free. In 2 years of play. Or fork over money and do it faster since I'll either get the cards I want or be able to sell them off. No worries if I run out of time I can just do a 12 feez offer and buy a favor for more time to sell.

Oh and "you just have that individiual subjective feeling of wanting to be better and u limit yourself by not using what is given"? What is given? The ability to grind for months on end to even try grinding for the good drops of the blessed AM? Or pay and get ahead.

I was there for no free feez and no AM. Arguing that "The past was worse" isn't a very good position to take.

I just want this game to be more open because while I like the gameplay, I hate the money part of it. And saying "If you don't like it go elsewhere" isn't something that will draw in new players.

Zurga · 13-09-2012 23:20:30

Just remember you don't need a top ELO deck to farm bosses.
Some average decks are sufficient to do the job.

Teremune · 14-09-2012 02:26:36

MerlinCross a écrit :

Save up crystals to buy deck okay.
Save up crystals to buy deck needed to farm in adventure mode.
Save up crystals to buy deck needed to actually get to the bosses to farm.
So now I need 3-4 decks. How many crystals am I in for now, not counting the newer stronger cards I'll need to buy to keep up.
And yes, I can do it. For free. In 2 years of play. Or fork over money and do it faster since I'll either get the cards I want or be able to sell them off. No worries if I run out of time I can just do a 12 feez offer and buy a favor for more time to sell.
Oh and "you just have that individiual subjective feeling of wanting to be better and u limit yourself by not using what is given"? What is given? The ability to grind for months on end to even try grinding for the good drops of the blessed AM? Or pay and get ahead.
I was there for no free feez and no AM. Arguing that "The past was worse" isn't a very good position to take.
I just want this game to be more open because while I like the gameplay, I hate the money part of it. And saying "If you don't like it go elsewhere" isn't something that will draw in new players.

I suggest getting, queen aelide, and 2 crafters, make sure one crafters is jorus, as it will help you beat a lot of the dark tower...and probably the cheapest deck for doing so.

mitch87 · 14-09-2012 03:33:40

Zurga a écrit :

Just remember you don't need a top ELO deck to farm bosses.
Some average decks are sufficient to do the job.

Hi, i'm an italian player... it is true, but honestly, as regards the adventure, despite having completed the dark tower and all the other adventures taking all their card event ( ), I just can't explain myself why it was decided to ban certain cards also here; the minimum level is not enough, it's not enough that for each floor of the tower it needs almost a different deck (not to mention the other bosses: tracker guem for abyssien, nehant mage for xzia, Mystic Slayer's Shadow, dragon, inferno, discards for the arena champion, the plot of the time, GstQ etc etc), now we also ban cards, mmm... it's just because they are buggy or because we want to make our lives more difficult?? You knows that we're not in the amnezy's tournament or another type where you can win crystals and fee'z, here we simply won event cards exclusively for for fun's decks and very rarely some rare good cards like Extasy, Fake death etc (except for exceptional cases, for example Deirf Geis and future cards)... so what's happening?

Dernière modification par mitch87 (14-09-2012 03:37:02)

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