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#1 19-08-2011 02:11:36

Denny Delacroix
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Sap Heart way too powerful!

Man....living nature, brothers in arms,dais intervention....need
to say more?Yeah...maybe keizan using all those shi*,,,,,F*C*........all those cards should be unique!

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#2 19-08-2011 02:19:43

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

Denny Delacroix a écrit :

Man....living nature, brothers in arms,dais intervention....need
to say more?Yeah...maybe keizan using all those shi*,,,,,F*C*........all those cards should be unique!

At least Living Nature is banned in ELO.  The deck isn't flawless (Trust me, I've played with it.) 

Yeah, it can easily 'Oops, I won.' but bad draws are...  Well, bad.  Keep in mind Brothers in Arms and Dais Intervention only works with living characters.  if you happen to kill one of them (Keizan is a good one to aim for) it weakens the cards.  The additional attacks from Melissandra and Butterfly Collar are sometimes useless (If their defense gets to 5+, they're fairly useless.)

Mages can make fairly short work of them.  Dragon Knights, too, can stand a very good fight (Goddamn Magic Attack.....)


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#3 19-08-2011 02:43:27

Denny Delacroix
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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

Heheheh...it is the "Oops, I won" that makes me crazy...magic attack is another card that shoud be unique...


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#4 19-08-2011 03:31:00

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

Slapping the unique sub-type on a card doesn't really work.  Something that's unique has to be special in some way, just like in Magic The Gathering something that's legendary or mythic rare has to 'feel' mythic or legendary.  Living Nature and Magic Attack just don't feel like they should be unique.  They're powerful, sure, but not unique.

Before Nurvus can say it.......  Elite card status is the answer! (Sort of IMO)


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#5 19-08-2011 03:39:37

Denny Delacroix
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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

Hmm...something like that shoud be done...i used the "unique" to express that those cards have to be limited in some way...elite cards is a good point.


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#6 19-08-2011 03:50:56

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

Denny Delacroix a écrit :

Hmm...something like that shoud be done...i used the "unique" to express that those cards have to be limited in some way...elite cards is a good point.

Well, read his thread about it in Suggestions if you haven't already.  He raises some good points, although he doesn't quote the troublesome cards in Sap Hearts.


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#7 19-08-2011 07:10:28

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

No one can deify Nature


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#8 19-08-2011 09:13:20

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

ZeroClass a écrit :

No one can deify Nature

The true weakness of this deck is to kill off Dais as fast as you can. That will render Living Nature useless.


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#9 19-08-2011 19:01:42

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

TL; DR - Elite fixes it xD


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#10 20-08-2011 20:28:21

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

not sure, I use those cards and I can get my ass handed to me really easy especially against noz war/mage decks. Though I do get a lot of perfects thanks to defence cards. I think you can work around it.
Was a shame though, my the pack deck is missing lunation, dances with volks and another bestial for tournament.
Ah well. Hell im enjoying pokeredan too much to care right now big_smile


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#11 19-06-2012 12:59:04

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

I use witchblades in battle, and against sap hearts my characters always seem to die with over 5 points of extra damage. Against sap heart mages, SOMEHOW my Yiliana died on the first turn. At the end of the fight she had 11 HP and then boom, somehow died with 0. I don't know what happened but after that, every fight with that one character, I lost over 10 points at the end of the fight and each of my characters died by that one character. The battle traveled too fast for me to see what card combination was causing it but seriously that is way too overpowered.
I have never won a battle with a Sap Hearts opponent... never. I have won in adventure, but that's different... and it's not like I've won much. Maybe twice..


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#12 19-06-2012 13:27:53

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

codalafin a écrit :

I use witchblades in battle, and against sap hearts my characters always seem to die with over 5 points of extra damage. Against sap heart mages, SOMEHOW my Yiliana died on the first turn. At the end of the fight she had 11 HP and then boom, somehow died with 0. I don't know what happened but after that, every fight with that one character, I lost over 10 points at the end of the fight and each of my characters died by that one character. The battle traveled too fast for me to see what card combination was causing it but seriously that is way too overpowered.
I have never won a battle with a Sap Hearts opponent... never. I have won in adventure, but that's different... and it's not like I've won much. Maybe twice..

they're balance..

every GUILD is balance... it depends upon the players and their strategies smile


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#13 19-06-2012 13:31:56

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

Neja.Persot.Spy a écrit :
codalafin a écrit :

I use witchblades in battle, and against sap hearts my characters always seem to die with over 5 points of extra damage. Against sap heart mages, SOMEHOW my Yiliana died on the first turn. At the end of the fight she had 11 HP and then boom, somehow died with 0. I don't know what happened but after that, every fight with that one character, I lost over 10 points at the end of the fight and each of my characters died by that one character. The battle traveled too fast for me to see what card combination was causing it but seriously that is way too overpowered.
I have never won a battle with a Sap Hearts opponent... never. I have won in adventure, but that's different... and it's not like I've won much. Maybe twice..

they're balance..

every GUILD is balance... it depends upon the players and their strategies smile

how i love to use extasys as an example xD why nerf it? all guild are balanced, each player must use it´s own strategy xDDD


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#14 19-06-2012 13:33:07

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

Just use an magical attack, they are strong aganist Physical, but aganist Magical, they are paper(Most of 'em, and sentence helps too)


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#15 19-06-2012 13:35:55

Neja.Persot.Spy
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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

Damncaster a écrit :
Neja.Persot.Spy a écrit :
codalafin a écrit :

I use witchblades in battle, and against sap hearts my characters always seem to die with over 5 points of extra damage. Against sap heart mages, SOMEHOW my Yiliana died on the first turn. At the end of the fight she had 11 HP and then boom, somehow died with 0. I don't know what happened but after that, every fight with that one character, I lost over 10 points at the end of the fight and each of my characters died by that one character. The battle traveled too fast for me to see what card combination was causing it but seriously that is way too overpowered.
I have never won a battle with a Sap Hearts opponent... never. I have won in adventure, but that's different... and it's not like I've won much. Maybe twice..

they're balance..

every GUILD is balance... it depends upon the players and their strategies smile

how i love to use extasys as an example xD why nerf it? all guild are balanced, each player must use it´s own strategy xDDD

they have balance.... on their bank accounts XDDD


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#16 19-06-2012 13:37:38

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

wild buds is incredible powerful deck but a good magic + physical attack by a good witchblade deck should do the trick. No deck is too strong and please dont ever say that sap heart is OP. You were not around the days when living nature was not unique and brothers in arms is a chain into a quick draw.


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#17 19-06-2012 13:47:45

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

soulst3al3r a écrit :

wild buds is incredible powerful deck but a good magic + physical attack by a good witchblade deck should do the trick. No deck is too strong and please dont ever say that sap heart is OP. You were not around the days when living nature was not unique and brothers in arms is a chain into a quick draw.

I was and it wasn´t a GOD deck

I used living nature myself

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#18 19-06-2012 14:23:11

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

Seriously? When two of the three opponents have 5 spirit and 5 defense, you're going to say magic attacks will help any? No.. it won't.
Seriously, I don't know what happened, but at the very end the opponent had one character left, and whatever he played made the defense = 10. I never got a single hit on that guy, and I had 3 HP left. BUT, after the fight I had -9 and lost... seriously. How is that not OP?


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#19 19-06-2012 14:42:17

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

codalafin a écrit :

Seriously? When two of the three opponents have 5 spirit and 5 defense, you're going to say magic attacks will help any? No.. it won't.
Seriously, I don't know what happened, but at the very end the opponent had one character left, and whatever he played made the defense = 10. I never got a single hit on that guy, and I had 3 HP left. BUT, after the fight I had -9 and lost... seriously. How is that not OP?

lol every deck has its weakness. Nomad and harshness makes mincemeat of sap heart mages...the way u r saying OP I thought you were talking about noz mages


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#20 19-06-2012 18:14:20

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

codalafin a écrit :

Seriously? When two of the three opponents have 5 spirit and 5 defense, you're going to say magic attacks will help any? No.. it won't.
Seriously, I don't know what happened, but at the very end the opponent had one character left, and whatever he played made the defense = 10. I never got a single hit on that guy, and I had 3 HP left. BUT, after the fight I had -9 and lost... seriously. How is that not OP?

this is what happens when you put no counters in your deck.
sap hearts are not overpowered.
I mean, you just need dissidence and some removal cards to beat them....
(I may have exagerated a little... ^^')

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#21 19-06-2012 19:58:07

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

codalafin a écrit :

I use witchblades in battle

this is the problem, wb have bad stats, you need some counters to help you to win

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#22 19-06-2012 20:07:27

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

I keep seeing unique cards as recommended cards, which are very hard to get. Meanwhile the Sap Hearts continue to kill me requiring only their guild cards. ~_~
Paranoia's a good choice though. I have that and theft, best I can get for now.

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#23 19-06-2012 20:09:42

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paranoia isnt unique tongue and u can play neutralization and mental prison

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#24 19-06-2012 20:19:04

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

Wolvos a écrit :

paranoia isnt unique tongue

Why I said it was a good choice :V
And though those other cards would have helped if I had ever gotten them, they can't help when the opponent has already played cards. The thing is that I often loose a ton of HP at the end of a battle and I can't tell where it's coming from. Something always gets played that just ruins the battle. I do mean always, when it comes to Sap Hearts...


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#25 19-06-2012 21:02:57

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Re : Sap Heart way too powerful!

codalafin a écrit :

The thing is that I often loose a ton of HP at the end of a battle and I can't tell where it's coming from. Something always gets played that just ruins the battle. I do mean always, when it comes to Sap Hearts...

sounds like wild buds is getting at you [card]clumsiness[/card] may help


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