Now I can make a solid full strat deck and complement it with 2 or 3 anti-meta cards.
Now I can put 1 Watcher to fetch my ANS from the graveyard in any deck and dont feel like i'm wasting a card slot.
Cards that almost never see use maybe can shine now and maybe it can add some value to my collection.
Pirate mages can put rods and Lightning Spells and still be consistent.
I can keep going...

Overall its a good change. It makes some broken strats become viable now and like many of you said its doesn't kill discard decks.
It will demand more deck building skills from the players and this is the biggest improvement that i'm expecting.

ps.: Correct me if i'm wrong but in MTG you can have a minimum of 40 cards and no upper limit but you neither see a 60- or 60+ deck size in professional play.

Dernière modification par Zorak (28-05-2012 16:02:23)

inovix · 28-05-2012 16:20:54

MTG requires a minimum of 60 cards with no more than 4 repeated cards, except for basic lands. But you have to be to shuffle your deck with no assistance.

Zorak · 28-05-2012 16:33:01

inovix a écrit :

MTG requires a minimum of 60 cards with no more than 4 repeated cards, except for basic lands. But you have to be to shuffle your deck with no assistance.

The point is, u can put 120 cards but still u dont. Same here. i see 25 cards top in the competitive scenario and this dont kill discard. Not even close.

UIA · 28-05-2012 19:23:04

Interesting.. I dunno for me the recent powercreep mentality of omg this week we made even more super op cards than the last! SO NOW GO BUY MOREZ PACKS!! kinda killed this game for me to the point I just log on for weekly trophies, if at all. The environments become so cookie cutter and stale when you face 4-5 different deck archetypes in a game with so much potential variety to choose from.
So I think this change will be for the better and allow for more diverse strategies, which is a good thing.

The real question is, are they going to improve the deckbuilding module with this update? Constantly switching out cards in 20 card decks is bad enough I can't imagine what it'd be like with more. Just a basic template save/load option would go a long way.

Stormholt · 28-05-2012 19:27:38

My reaction about this update:

Bah..........

...When u guys gonna nerf ecstasy?
...Or made adventure cards sellable?
...Or fix take off these stupid bar on market?

Really, this update is not a mistake, this things were.

Dernière modification par Stormholt (28-05-2012 19:28:13)

Damncaster · 28-05-2012 19:34:58

why not to add more characters to the battle 2? xD

skadooosh · 28-05-2012 20:16:00

Damncaster a écrit :

why not to add more characters to the battle 2? xD

I would not be surprised to have a tounament of the million with 4 characters in each team...
but tempuus would be over cheated...!

Dernière modification par skadooosh (28-05-2012 20:17:09)

DarkAvenger · 28-05-2012 21:57:14

will this afect aventure mode bosses deck size?

Nurvus · 28-05-2012 23:28:54

kisama a écrit :

same to me
*shock*
Lets collect some Ihas and WaW
EDIT: I change my mind,
what happen to me if i dont get all that card until all my character die..
Hmm...
maybe we shouldn't put all 50 cards
if we put that much
we won't able to draw the core cards
I think that this is where the disadvantage comes, hence creating a balance.
Those who have played yugioh will know best.
But time will tell........
Nurvus is going to be happy lol

The only thing that makes me happy in this is Feerik growing some "balls" and testing new approaches to balance.

I think some decks will still rather have 20 cards (beatdown & mage blast, mostly)
Others, the ones more towards control, will need more cards to have a chance against Discard decks, while at the same time sacrificing some chance to draw core cards.

I think it is a good shot at balance.
--

I can imagine the new trend: Discard meets 40+ card deck = quit.

Dernière modification par Nurvus (28-05-2012 23:38:13)

Keybo1 · 28-05-2012 23:49:46

at least now you can level up 50 cars at the same time instead of 20.

BUHAWI_JACK · 29-05-2012 02:46:06

well if they want to increase the deck size,they should also consider these things:

increase the stats of all characters.
increase the rewards gained at the end of the battle.
increase the penalties on players leaving halfway the battle.

if not,nothing much will change..all i can see is:

bigger library, bigger need of more cards, bigger profit for them.

steeliebob · 29-05-2012 04:25:10

Meh, just use a few extra cards if you want to win against discard, a lot of decks only lose by 1 turn anyways.

or if you want to play one of those decks that always was missing a spot for just a handfull of extra cards.

As said before: more cards in a deck is less chance to draw the cards you want to draw. Also a set up deck with a lot of cards you do not want will just make there well, set up weaker or take longer.

Dernière modification par steeliebob (29-05-2012 04:26:02)

karnoki · 29-05-2012 04:27:16

BUHAWI_JACK a écrit :

well if they want to increase the deck size,they should also consider these things:
increase the stats of all characters.
increase the rewards gained at the end of the battle.
increase the penalties on players leaving halfway the battle.
if not,nothing much will change..all i can see is:
bigger library, bigger need of more cards, bigger profit for them.

increase stats : I don't think so... If that, this game will be destroyed anyway because anycard (that feerik design) is thought relating to the stat of character.

What does I fear the change in this game
ANS:
1. Stat of character
2. number of character (in one deck such as 4-5)
3. number of copies per card (in one deck such as 4 copies)

If Feerik change them.. I think take more than one year for balance.

BUT about the leaver problem, I think the repeated trophies which som1 suggest is very good idea. If u not leave continuous 50 fight.. u will get bla bla.. So, at lease, keep going lost but still get something should be OK

FutureMesca · 29-05-2012 05:19:46

a maximum of 25 cards would be more than enough

good job on killing discard decks

Ryken · 29-05-2012 05:21:52

FutureMesca a écrit :

a maximum of 25 cards would be more than enough
good job on killing discard decks

Good riddance, you mean.

Calandra · 29-05-2012 09:48:19

i dont see discard dead yet... put some more cards in it yourself to manifest a stable defense and play in longer terms... whip your enemy off... or maybe with the next zil card update there will be a theft2.0 which steals 3-5 cards from deck... discard is an established (even though annoying) way of winning the game... i dont think they will be left behind^^

Cossette · 29-05-2012 12:29:16

Calandra a écrit :

i dont see discard dead yet... put some more cards in it yourself to manifest a stable defense and play in longer terms... whip your enemy off... or maybe with the next zil card update there will be a theft2.0 which steals 3-5 cards from deck... discard is an established (even though annoying) way of winning the game... i dont think they will be left behind^^

agree... yay! more monkeys to play with gonna collect more of them, it will be a staple on discards and its rarely destroyed... imagine +1 def and discards, with extra space to spare to add more anathematize, and its time will remove most of recycling cards, Marlok will be revive, having space for three double clay, illumination + Vitals siphon then cloning X3 will be nice cause there's more cards to remove anyway >_<

Dernière modification par Cossette (29-05-2012 12:46:23)

SillusGran · 29-05-2012 15:44:13

Circus in unic cast impaired in this change. A good example, just faced a deck of 30 cards using Compendium storm crystal, or lendary Pilkin. Who plays the discart know what I say.
Card game using 30,40,50 cards is Yu gi Oh.
Before starting a drastic change, should have done survey with players

Dernière modification par SillusGran (29-05-2012 15:53:34)

Neja.Persot.Spy · 29-05-2012 16:04:56

SillusGran a écrit :

Circus in unic cast impaired in this change. A good example, just faced a deck of 30 cards using Compendium storm crystal, or lendary Pilkin. Who plays the discart know what I say.
Card game using 30,40,50 cards is Yu gi Oh.
Before starting a drastic change, should have done survey with players

hmmm.. maybe, the staffs tested it with those working and some players also ^^

Aigle1705 · 29-05-2012 16:13:08

i like those 50 cards - reason -

Neja.Persot.Spy · 29-05-2012 16:29:16

Aigle1705 a écrit :

i like those 50 cards - reason -

OWNAGE! ^^

Next pic sir IhaS and WaW.. hahah ^^^

Brzost · 29-05-2012 16:34:13

Yilith syas hi to your strategy

Neja.Persot.Spy · 29-05-2012 16:35:59

Brzost a écrit :

Yilith syas hi to your strategy

as well as [card]Escape Death[/card]..

Dernière modification par Neja.Persot.Spy (29-05-2012 16:37:13)

kleos D · 29-05-2012 16:37:05

Aigle1705 a écrit :

i like those 50 cards - reason -

hahaha, I bet he regretted his decision to put out anathematize from the deck

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