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Nurvus · 24-04-2012 18:56:11

[card]Nodachi[/card] is a card made by the creator of [card]The Emperor's Speech[/card].

How can it be such an awful card?
By the way, it's not beacuse of the meta... it was ALWAYS an awful card... ridiculously so.

Yes, I believe Feerik can and should tweak old cards to remain playable and interesting, so that players seek out to combo new cards with old cards, etc...

It should be:

This card can be attached to a Warrior, Marauder or a Craftsman.
Attack +3 and Defense +1.
If attached to a Kotoba Warrior: An additional Attack +1.
If played by "Masamune": An additional Attack +1 and Defense +1.

In short, if played by Masamune AND attached to a Kotoba Warrior it should be the single strongest weapon.

Dernière modification par Nurvus (24-04-2012 19:33:40)

skadooosh · 24-04-2012 19:12:08

old cards are bad cards...
that's a crappy thing, but it is how it is...
power creep is somehow inevitable...

ps: i know i should leave the "..."

Nurvus · 24-04-2012 19:16:07

First, [card]Nodachi[/card] was awful since release. It's ridiculous.

Second, Eredan has Suggestions & Card Ideas forums.

That means either:
a) they listen to feedback in order to improve the game
b) they're hypocrites

I like to believe they go with a)

Furthermore, they have made so many changes post-release, mainly in terms of nomad and sap heart cards.

So the only useless posts in these forums are those like the one above mine

On-Topic, do you think it would be overpowered?

Dernière modification par Nurvus (24-04-2012 19:20:16)

skadooosh · 24-04-2012 19:18:53

as I already explained to you, feerik doesn't want to change cards that already exist.
they create new cards instead and ban them from elo if they are too powerful. or just let them sink in the abbys of mediocrity.

Nurvus · 24-04-2012 19:21:48

skadooosh a écrit :

as I already explained to you, feerik doesn't want to change cards that already exist.
they create new cards instead and ban them from elo if they are too powerful. or just let them sink in the abbys of mediocrity.

Wrong.
They change cards.

They changed [card]Hasna[/card], [card]Sol'ra's Eclipse[/card], [card]Sol'ra's Avatar[/card], [card]Brothers in Arms[/card], etc...

Furthermore, when they made the change where items...
- are non-permanent unless specified otherwise
- activate immediately unless specified otherwise

...they also changed some items to activate immediately, though I can't remember wich anymore xD

Dernière modification par Nurvus (24-04-2012 19:23:45)

Zurga · 24-04-2012 19:29:01

They didn't change Hasna.
In two years there was 2 nerf in the game.
They won't change this card, perhaps they will release a new one, but nodashi will not be changed.

Nurvus · 24-04-2012 19:31:21

Hasna was released dealing 3 direct damage on her turn order, wasn't it?
Now it deals 2?

Sol'ra Eclipse : deletion of Chain.
The new text will be :
All the opposing characters have Defense -2.
Duration 2 turns.
Priest: Additional Duration of 2 Turns
Reinforce the faith : deletion of "for each of your living eclipse character".
The new text:
Your Marauders gain Attack +1 and an additional Attack +1 if "Sol'ra Eclipse" is active.
Eclipse: Duration 2 Turns.
Sol'ra Avatar: The Attack passes from 11/11 to 7/11. The order does not provoke more if the two other characters are dead. The prevention of heals function is only on even turns and does not stop heals from being played by a player on an opposing character.
Therefore the new text :
The even turns no player can heal his characters.
At the end of an odd Turn, your other characters suffer 4 direct damages and the opposing player suffers 1 direct damage.
Turns 2 and 4 : Defense +2 and Attack+X where X is equal to the number of characters dead.
Living Nature : addition of "unique".
Brothers in Arms : deletion of Chain.
The new text :
Attack +1 for each different Race amongst your living characters.
Starboard : General Modification.
New Text :
-1 to physical damages received by the character.
If played by "Klemence" : if the character dies, this card is placed in the Hand of its owner.
Port : General Modification.
The new text:
At the start of the fight the character suffers 1 direct damage for each of his attached cards.
If played by "Klemence" : If the character dies, this card is placed in the Hand of its owner.

At least 7 cards were changed, not counting Hasna.
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And Feerik should strongly change that policy, then.
Some cards in the game, without any correlation with rarity, are and have always been simply useless.

Nodachi is one of them.
[card]Wooden Sword[/card] is actually good because it does 2 things:
- Lowers enemy attack
- Replaces any weapons he may have

And then you upgrade it into the most useless weapon in the game? It's even worse than [card]Simple Axe[/card]...

The only thing I expect from Feerik is an ever improving notion of balance and what is interesting and fun and what is not.
Feerik should at least add +2 Attack to Nodachi's base effect...

But if Feerik is stubborn about not changing cards (though he does when he feels like it) he should at least add another Upgrade to [card]Nodachi[/card], kinda how [card]Katana[/card] evolves into [card]The Emperor's Speech[/card]

Dernière modification par Nurvus (24-04-2012 19:48:46)

Stormholt · 24-04-2012 19:50:28

Nurvus a écrit :

Hasna was released dealing 3 direct damage on her turn order, wasn't it?
Now it deals 2?
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And Feerik should strongly change that policy, then.
Some cards in the game, without any correlation with rarity, are and have always been simply useless.
Nodachi is one of them.
[card]Wooden Sword[/card] is actually good because it does 2 things:
- Lowers enemy attack
- Replaces any weapons he may have
And then you upgrade it into the most useless weapon in the game? It's even worse than [card]Simple Axe[/card]...
At least add another Upgrade to [card]Nodachi[/card], kinda how [card]Katana[/card] evolves into [card]The Emperor's Speech[/card]

/singned, there's no need to create new cards, when you make the old one useless...Check out bloodsword and faceless(even Dark) they're the best one on the pack deck, now its Brutus Fenrath and Wild... And its not only me that say it, the video of anniversary from eredan, my friend(Scizornl) said that is no need for create a new guild and new class such as berzerker when you got some guilds and classes that are inconplete... And worse, they create berzerkers, and dont complete them, its a shame, sorry. The old cards should be revised YES! Who dont got a Kroub on the colection and dont use him, or better who uses him??? If feerik continue creating these new pies cards, the game will got 1000 cards, but only 50 of'em is good to use...

Nurvus · 24-04-2012 19:55:00

Ofcourse, trivializing old cards all the time and never tweaking them to keep them playable only make the players think: Why buy new cards if they're gonna be useless in a month?

Feerik would bring so much credibility and praise to themselves if they did tweaks here and there, even if not perfect, letting the players know they care about EVERY CARD they got in their collection.

Dernière modification par Nurvus (24-04-2012 20:01:04)

skadooosh · 24-04-2012 20:01:58

the thing is that many people would prefer improvement of old cards instead of new expensive overpowered cards.
BUT it's not how it works in real life for real TCG game. and that's why feerik does the same.
it's their policy. I really don't think you can change that...

Nurvus · 24-04-2012 20:04:32

skadooosh a écrit :

the thing is that many people would prefer improvement of old cards instead of new expensive overpowered cards.
BUT it's not how it works in real life for real TCG game. and that's why feerik does the same.
it's their policy. I really don't think you can change that...

1 - this isn't a real TCG game. real TCG games can't change cards AT ALL.
Real TCG spend more time balancing releases, and usually when they finally release cards, they're pretty balanced.
Unbalanced cards simply get banned, but are very rare occurences.

Eredan releases cards frequently, some are seemingly barely tested (if at all).
Therefore they have a different game, with different needs.

2 - they can and have changed cards

3 - they can do better than other companies and games. it's their duty. doing as bad as others isn't an acceptable excuse when there are easy, awesome alternatives.
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Power is responsibility.

Eredan can retroactively improve cards.
It won't ruin their business:
4 - Players have more faith in the stability of the game
5 - Players feel like their ever increasing card collection is important in the dev team's eyes
6 - Players are more likely to find interesting combos between new cards and old cards

Special attention to point 6.
Currently, out of thousands of cards, you could say 750 are interesting, and 150 are competitive (I'm being generous in both cases).
If Feerik keeps all cards with a purpose, you'll see thousands of interesting cards, hundreds of competitive cards and ten times more variety in decks.

This is 500% good for the game.
The best advertisement in the world is that enthusiastic praise shared between people.

Dernière modification par Nurvus (24-04-2012 20:14:24)

Stormholt · 24-04-2012 20:13:40

Nurvus a écrit :

1 - this isn't a real TCG game. real TCG games can't change cards AT ALL.
Real TCG spend more time balancing releases, and usually when they finally release cards, they're pretty balanced.
2 - they can and have changed cards
3 - they can do better than other companies and games. it's their duty. doing as bad as others isn't an acceptable excuse when there are easy, awesome alternatives.

Agreed tottaly, they should stop thinking that this is a real TCG, feerik should look the good part of be a ITCG, they can change cards when players complain 'bout it, i wonder if IDK magic or Yu-Gi-Oh that got real cards dont want to change some OP cards, come on lets be realistic...

Nurvus · 24-04-2012 20:16:10

Feerik doesn't need to make super balanced changes, but do some.

If I was in the development team, as old cards come to mind, I would probably tweak them.

How hard is it to change a number from 1 to 3, for example?

Calandra · 25-04-2012 00:07:19

Zurga a écrit :

They didn't change Hasna.
In two years there was 2 nerf in the game.
They won't change this card, perhaps they will release a new one, but nodashi will not be changed.

ye but in two years they never started to learn how to think from 2 steps ahead... in my consideration its plainly dumb to just pump out new monster cards and combos without giving even the slightest consideration of what it may cause to all the other decks out there...

nerfing and changing cards should become a tool for the staff to make up for errors they made... i like the idea of making nodachi and masamune a bit more usefull...

i could instantly name at least 5 cards that needs to be changed urgently... so why not starting with a card that would have somehow little to no effect on the whole game...

cards like dilemma for tempus are things that shake the whole game and turn it upside down...

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#1 24-04-2012 18:56:11

Nodachi

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