Sapphon a écrit :
al_vh1n a écrit :
Or maybe instead of nerfing/changing the cards, maybe you can tell the guy w/ the tissue on the head to playtest first the cards before they release it to the public. Nerfing should be done as a last resort only and not as a way to solve a problem when things go out in hand w/c can be easily avoided w/ just a simple playtesting.
"Just a simple playtesting" isnt that easy ;p
Cards are playtested. But sometimes you don't think of everything. In this case the card came in a bit too early I think, since most top decks cant be played at full power in ELO.
I'm sorry, what? Telling your opponent to DISCARD THREE CARDS wasn't a hint enough in itself to tell you that MAYBE the card was a tad broken?
*grumbles*

It's not like it's any different now, you'll still be out of cards by the end of the 4th turn just like before.

The only way discard can win at the end of turn 3 is if you take 2 cards from your deck yourself like Ice Elves with first turn [card]Agmundar's Rage[/card] from [card]Ursyd[/card] and [card]Icy Aura[/card] from [card]Kokrem[/card], and even for that, Discard would have to pull the perfect draw by starting first with [card]The Psychurgist[/card] + [card]Festivities[/card] or starting second with [card]Festivities[/card] + [card]Cloning[/card] and of course clearing your hand every turn, so most of the time you have 4 turns guaranteed to play, what more do you want?

What are truly unfair are decks like [card]Ecstasy[/card] + [card]Dismemberment[/card] combo that win constantly by the end of turn 3, that's what you should be upset about, not a Discard card that doesn't change the metagame that much.

Dernière modification par FutureMesca (22-03-2012 18:38:50)

Ryken · 22-03-2012 18:33:25

Sapphon a écrit :

Ryken a écrit :
That's your answer? That's the most generic thing I've ever heard.
Not my fault if it's true ;p The card itself isn't what could make discard broken. The real problem would be Double Clay. And Alyce.

It's doubly true that my answer isn't my fault either, no matter how true it is. I can only conclude that the stock answers we're hearing of "it will be fix'd in the future, I swears it!" will be the only thing we'll be getting from here on out and therefore there's really nothing else to see here.

FutureMesca a écrit :

What are truly unfair are decks like [card]Ecstasy[/card] + [card]Dismemberment[/card] combo that win constantly by the end of turn 3, that's what you should be upset about, not a Discard card that doesn't change the metagame that much.

Truth. But isn't Dismemberment banned in ELO?

Dernière modification par Ryken (22-03-2012 18:36:11)

Sapphon · 22-03-2012 18:42:13

Ryken a écrit :

It's doubly true that my answer isn't my fault either, no matter how true it is. I can only conclude that the stock answers we're hearing of "it will be fix'd in the future, I swears it!" will be the only thing we'll be getting from here on out and therefore there's really nothing else to see here.

I don't say it will be fixed in the future, for we'll need to check how it does in a true ELO week (and when I say a true ELO week, I mean a week where all the top decks arent banned). What I say is ranting like you are ranting is pointless since you obviously dont have all the cards in your hand (and not only because they've been discarded). Give the deck one week in ELO without all the bans, and we'll see what comes out of it. If it trusts the top like you try to say it will, then something will be done about it.

Ryken · 22-03-2012 18:53:56

Sapphon a écrit :

Ryken a écrit :
It's doubly true that my answer isn't my fault either, no matter how true it is. I can only conclude that the stock answers we're hearing of "it will be fix'd in the future, I swears it!" will be the only thing we'll be getting from here on out and therefore there's really nothing else to see here.
I don't say it will be fixed in the future, for we'll need to check how it does in a true ELO week (and when I say a true ELO week, I mean a week where all the top decks arent banned). What I say is ranting like you are ranting is pointless since you obviously dont have all the cards in your hand (and not only because they've been discarded). Give the deck one week in ELO without all the bans, and we'll see what comes out of it. If it trusts the top like you try to say it will, then something will be done about it.

A week huh? Okay, sure. I'll give you that.

...though it does seem to me that there could be a method to prevent cards like this from slipping through the cracks and making it to the live studio audience. You know, where you wouldn't need a week because there was maybe a group of people that would make a deck, play each other to...I don't know, TEST them out. Then things like this wouldn't happen and we'd all be happier for it.

But alas, such concepts are things of fantasy apparently.

Sapphon · 22-03-2012 19:14:04

Ryken a écrit :

But alas, such concepts are things of fantasy apparently.

Like you reading my messages ? ;p
I've answered this a bit earlier.

MaijinGon · 22-03-2012 19:17:39

Clay is bigger problem, now u even don't have chances to kill them within 3-4 turns limit with marauders/warriors decks Unless u use like 5 remove from play cards

Anyway why ectasy and emb..... is OP? , if its countered nicely by temple guardians (Sakina+Forced march) , lul this game is just rock ,paper,scissors, there should be option to insta win/lose match when rock meets scissors etc., to not waste time on match that u can't win w/o miracle

...and too bad that some decks are Bigger rocks made of paper like Discards

Ryken · 22-03-2012 19:20:34

Sapphon a écrit :

"Just a simple playtesting" isnt that easy ;p
Cards are playtested. But sometimes you don't think of everything. In this case the card came in a bit too early I think, since most top decks cant be played at full power in ELO.

Yeah, THIS response? The one where you said cards ARE playtested, but then things like Clay, Indigestion, Extasy, ect. STILL get released week after week?

Oh, forgive me. Clearly I was mistaken.

Sapphon · 22-03-2012 19:29:47

Ryken a écrit :

Yeah, THIS response? The one where you said cards ARE playtested, but then things like Clay, Indigestion, Extasy, ect. STILL get released week after week?
Oh, forgive me. Clearly I was mistaken.

Hey, if you think you can do a better work than our game designers, go ahead : apply for the job ;p

Ryken · 22-03-2012 19:32:14

Sapphon a écrit :

Ryken a écrit :
Yeah, THIS response? The one where you said cards ARE playtested, but then things like Clay, Indigestion, Extasy, ect. STILL get released week after week?
Oh, forgive me. Clearly I was mistaken.
Hey, if you think you can do a better work than our game designers, go ahead : apply for the job ;p

...wait, can I? Seriously? Where would I even apply?

Sapphon · 22-03-2012 19:34:39

Doesn't hurt to have a try ;p You'll find all the details on feerik.com

MaijinGon · 22-03-2012 19:36:55

Clay should be like others nature spell for sap guild, they aren't that scarry anyway, but blast noz mages with 10 armor,y they are scarry and unkillable now for physycial attackers -.-

had a fight earlier when prophet used 2 clays in 1st fight , in second he used that uniqe noz card that gaves +spirit x- where x= def +1 dragon breath, just lold 18 spirit np

Dernière modification par MaijinGon (22-03-2012 19:39:02)

MrLordi92 · 22-03-2012 20:32:08

Ryken a écrit :

Sapphon a écrit :
Ryken a écrit :
Yeah, THIS response? The one where you said cards ARE playtested, but then things like Clay, Indigestion, Extasy, ect. STILL get released week after week?
Oh, forgive me. Clearly I was mistaken.
Hey, if you think you can do a better work than our game designers, go ahead : apply for the job ;p
...wait, can I? Seriously? Where would I even apply?

Just have to know French. That's the downside.

Ryken · 22-03-2012 20:38:57

MrLordi92 a écrit :

Ryken a écrit :
Sapphon a écrit :
Hey, if you think you can do a better work than our game designers, go ahead : apply for the job ;p
...wait, can I? Seriously? Where would I even apply?
Just have to know French. That's the downside.

Sonava...

Nurvus · 22-03-2012 22:29:52

A Treacherous that chains on mages...

Ryken · 22-03-2012 22:39:02

Nurvus a écrit :

A Treacherous that chains on mages...

Brilliant, ain't it?

TPPK · 22-03-2012 22:48:22

MrLordi92 a écrit :

Ryken a écrit :
Sapphon a écrit :
Hey, if you think you can do a better work than our game designers, go ahead : apply for the job ;p
...wait, can I? Seriously? Where would I even apply?
Just have to know French. That's the downside.

Its not just that: You have to live near Montpellier (City in France).

Nessaj · 22-03-2012 22:48:40

Sapphon a écrit :

Ryken a écrit :
That's your answer? That's the most generic thing I've ever heard.
Not my fault if it's true ;p The card itself isn't what could make discard broken. The real problem would be Double Clay. And Alyce.

So I think too the main problem will be Double Clay and Alyce.

Alyce simply break any chance you have to rescue cards from discard pile, and double clay just give an OP defense, also combined with Fabulous destiny or I hate Brawlers / Fallback. It will make them TRULLY OP, because if you dont lose by discard, you lose because you cannot kill. It's the hell of a defense boost, worse than any DK or Kotoba deck "-.-

Cossette · 23-03-2012 11:32:00

Another suggestion on the next update...

card action: target one opponent characters and he loses life equal to the number of cards in your graveyard. unique

card spell: all cards played/discarded this turn are return to deck.

card item: reshuffle cards in your graveyard to your deck character dies in the end of turn.

card action permanent: switch your characters defense with opponents defense

no need to play test, just rush everything you release.

Dernière modification par Cossette (23-03-2012 13:44:07)

soulst3al3r · 23-03-2012 12:12:02

Cossette a écrit :

Another suggestion on the next update...
card action: target one opponent characters and he loses life equal to the number of cards in your graveyard. chain
card spell: all cards played/discarded this turn are return to deck.
card item: reshuffle cards in your graveyard to your deck character dies in the end of turn.
card action permanent: switch your characters defense with opponents defense
no need to play test, just rush everything you release.

great ideas.

Ryken · 23-03-2012 12:57:57

Cossette a écrit :

card action: target one opponent characters and he loses life equal to the number of cards in your graveyard. chain.

No.

Cossette a écrit :

no need to play test, just rush everything you release.

Truth.

CAPTUSA · 23-03-2012 17:36:59

Still waiting for some clays to hit the market...damn!

Col.Beowulf · 23-03-2012 17:52:59

MrLordi92 a écrit :

Ryken a écrit :
Sapphon a écrit :
Hey, if you think you can do a better work than our game designers, go ahead : apply for the job ;p
...wait, can I? Seriously? Where would I even apply?
Just have to know French. That's the downside.

All I need is French in order to playtest OP broken cards? *Orders Rossetta Stone and learns French* I mean seriously. What kind of genius does it take to NOT realize how dumb a CHAIN for MAGES that DISCARDS 3 cards?!!! A dueling monkey can figure that one out....

And dont even get me started on the OP Tempus release.....

Dernière modification par Col.Beowulf (23-03-2012 17:54:22)

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