The game behave differently if the card says +1 or -1 on traits or if the card says =1 or =0
In the first case, this is a bonus/malus
In the second case, this is the definition of a new base value.
All the card that not allow to change the traits are based on bonus/malus.
When you fix the new value, you can do it all time.
For example, [card]Lady Yilith[/card] that play [card]Spiritual duel[/card] can bypass the limitation of bonus/malus on her traits.
The Fog hydra gives =0 on the spirit, not a modification of the Spirit but the definition of a new base value.
The game allow it.

In light of this development, do cards like reborn and distracted then effectively lower their attks? additionally, does the scroll of weakness + lucky charm combo work agaisnt the shulongs?

Zurga · 01-02-2012 13:35:35

If the card says =X, yes it works.

So :
- [card]Reborn[/card], yes
- [card]Distracted[/card], yes
- [card]scroll of weakness[/card], No
- [card]lucky charm[/card], yes

[card]Sroll of Failtry[/card] + [card]Self-Confidence[/card] works (Bomzar combo of the death)

soulst3al3r · 01-02-2012 13:44:06

Zurga a écrit :

If the card says =X, yes it works.
So :
- [card]Reborn[/card], yes
- [card]Distracted[/card], yes
- [card]scroll of weakness[/card], No
- [card]lucky charm[/card], yes
[card]Sroll of Failtry[/card] + [card]Self-Confidence[/card] works (Bomzar combo of the death)

lol i meant scroll of frailty + lucky charm

PhoenixBlue · 01-02-2012 14:40:30

enemy distracted not work @ my vulnurable shulong.. my shulong still have 4 def when they use distracted.. vulnurable shulong vs vulnurable shulong

Roarky · 01-02-2012 15:59:48

Really? But [card]Magic Attack[/card] works on my Shulong...

And does [card]Magic Shield[/card] aslo considered bonus or not? coz it cuts the attacks half

Dernière modification par Roarky (01-02-2012 16:00:47)

Nurvus · 01-02-2012 17:31:25

Zurga a écrit :

If the card says =X, yes it works.
So :
- [card]Reborn[/card], yes
- [card]Distracted[/card], yes
- [card]scroll of weakness[/card], No
- [card]lucky charm[/card], yes
[card]Sroll of Failtry[/card] + [card]Self-Confidence[/card] works (Bomzar combo of the death)

[card]Obesity[/card], no.
[card]Distracted[/card], no
[card]Magic Shield[/card], yes.

So you're wrong.
Either they can be modified or they can't.
Changing the value of a card is for all purposes, modifying it.
In Shulong's case, it is a bug and shouldn't happen.

Otherwise just change the card's text because right now it says it can't be changed.

Dernière modification par Nurvus (01-02-2012 17:33:45)

PhoenixBlue · 01-02-2012 17:39:01

magic attack not work on my shulong

Zurga · 01-02-2012 17:52:34

So Shulong is buggued a lot.
It should work like [card]Lady Yilith[/card] or like [card]Kimiko[/card], not not the two at the same time.

My bad if it is not the case.
I have not played with Shulong actually.

Dernière modification par Zurga (01-02-2012 17:52:49)

Nurvus · 01-02-2012 17:59:34

Zurga a écrit :

So Shulong is buggued a lot.
It should work like [card]Lady Yilith[/card] or like [card]Kimiko[/card], not not the two at the same time.
My bad if it is not the case.
I have not played with Shulong actually.

I've played and seen a lengthy video of someone using it, spamming Obesities.
I decided to try Magic Shield and other stat modifying cards to "test it".

I mean, shouldn't testers be doing that? :> I found some bugs so quickly... and so easily.

Calandra · 01-02-2012 18:25:51

unfortunenatly they are not using pre-release testing phase for new cards as it was once suggested... they simply toss new cards out like crazy and then try to solve the bugs... horrible logic imo

Zurga · 01-02-2012 18:29:50

It is not the case, but testers have limited time and not always all the ideas of the players.
Even some time the ideas are very basic and they should have them....

Calandra · 01-02-2012 18:57:34

if the current system is not sufficient... change it until it works... send 100 messages to players giving them cards which will be released soon to test and as a compensation u ll give them 1k crystals or 100 feez... i swear they ll do it... even for less

Zurga · 01-02-2012 21:28:15

You preach to the choir, I'm not part of the staff. I'm only a player like anyone else.

Nurvus · 01-02-2012 21:50:09

Zurga a écrit :

You preach to the choir, I'm not part of the staff. I'm only a player like anyone else.

I'm not complaining about you, Zurga - you're awesome.
I just pointed out what I think is wrong, and discussing the arguments you presented.

The way so many cards that should work the same don't work the same, I have to say it simply feels like the programmers made 1 distinct effect for each card, instead of programming a single version of each effect (with variables) and assigning them to various cards that use them, thus enforcing that all similar effects work the same.

Dernière modification par Nurvus (01-02-2012 21:52:31)

Zurga · 01-02-2012 21:52:18

No problem Nurvus, I was wrong, you're right

Roarky · 02-02-2012 10:48:40

Hopefully shulong traits cant be changed with any cards...

PhoenixBlue · 02-02-2012 12:46:01

shulong traits cant be enchance or reduced.. but now they make shulong a toy ? magic attack can make my shulong 0 defence.. then winter truce make my shulong attack -2... how can ? it say shulong trait cant enchanced or reduced... feel disappoint

Zurga · 02-02-2012 12:51:00

http://forum.eredan.com/viewtopic.php?p … 98#p486798

http://forum.eredan.com/viewtopic.php?p … 58#p488158

Zurga is the best, Zurga knows all, Zurga knows always the truth, trust no one else Zurga

Actually, the correction of the card suffers some flaws.
But What I have said stands : "=X" works again Shulong.

Dernière modification par Zurga (02-02-2012 12:51:30)

Aigle1705 · 02-02-2012 12:54:57

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- … 6360_n.jpg

as you see
=X and -X change him...

Zurga · 02-02-2012 12:55:54

Like I said, "-X" is a bug.
"=X" should work after the complete correction.

PhoenixBlue · 02-02-2012 12:58:05

so '+ x' bug too ?
lol then winter truce is bugs @ shulong

Nurvus · 02-02-2012 19:11:12

Zurga a écrit :

Like I said, "-X" is a bug.
"=X" should work after the complete correction.

I'm disappointed.
To be honest that's just an underhanded way for Feerik to nerf the dragon after people spent alot of time trying to get it.
It's not even that strong.

I used [card]Punch Line[/card] because the dragon ignored the "attack = min attack" penalty.
Now it seems it got "hotfixed" and applies the penalty.

I tried Scroll of Frailty, Magic Shield, etc.
Now it will make the dragon fail when he uses Obesity, Scroll of Frailty...
Other characters will be able to use Magic Attack against the Dragon.

In short, the dragon is going to be stomped.

PhoenixBlue · 02-02-2012 19:25:26

Nurvus a écrit :

Zurga a écrit :
Like I said, "-X" is a bug.
"=X" should work after the complete correction.
I'm disappointed.
To be honest that's just an underhanded way for Feerik to nerf the dragon after people spent alot of time trying to get it.
It's not even that strong.
I used [card]Punch Line[/card] because the dragon ignored the "attack = min attack" penalty.
Now it seems it got "hotfixed" and applies the penalty.
I tried Scroll of Frailty, Magic Shield, etc.
Now it will make the dragon fail when he uses Obesity, Scroll of Frailty...
Other characters will be able to use Magic Attack against the Dragon.
In short, the dragon is going to be stomped.

witchblade deck use magic attack and easily kill my dragon
but they wear so many armor + sword + some eggy (exodium) or something cloth and my dragon not wear anything.

This not realy fair for Mythical solo card Shulong. When opposite have high spirit+armor, how we beat 1v3 if now they can treat Shulong Status.. Like magic ball (uncommon) and zarazam's eye.

Don't know now Shulong can wear weapon / sword / any armor and increase Shulong status or not..

So just wana say... I don't know where's the point Shulong trait cant be enchanced or reduced.... Winter Truce and Wanted! also work @ shulong.

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