Eredan's World

Glasher · 19-07-2011 00:04:15

Please note these are my thoughts as a player of the game. My position as Moderator on the forums in no way represents feerik or the other forum staff members, nor puts my thoughts or opinions above anyone elses. Feel free to criticize and voice your opinions in anyway that still maintain order and follow the forum rules.
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Opinions on the small ban list for ELO vary to many degrees. Even more opinions on the reasoning behind it. I have made very brief posts on the matter of a functional and rotating format list. It is time to go in depth with it as I have almost completed one of my own. However, this is not the matter for this post. I have decided to put it in the deck and strategy section because it is more strategy based than a general discussion.

The Basics:
What is a Format List? Do not be confused, it is not an end all list. Nor does it always have to be used. It retains its own level of play while those who wish to continue play without it can. This means it is a PLAYERS CHOICE list. Being a players choice list simply means it is not backed by feerik at the time. Should they take on a list in the future then they can make the necessary in game changes to cater to a dual format.

A format list includes cards that CANNOT BE used, cards that are LIMITED TO ONE and cards that are LIMITED TO TWO.

It is very important to note this fact. The list changes every so often based on the releases, the strength of cards on the list in relevance to the cards off of it, and vice versa. Some cards are only as powerful as they are while other cards are in effect, and others become more notable when others are not available.

Why a Format List?
This is a very simple question. Format lists change the game, and when trends appear and the game gets stagnant, the list is edited and the game is again changed. Old cards that never see the light of day see there time to shine, Notable cards of debate become obsolete for a time. Decks shift power, and markets become a little more stable as so few cards aren't so necessary that they can reach obsurd prices that turn a credible tcg into a money grubbers > skill game.

How does a Format List change the game?
First and foremost it puts talent back into the picture in a bigger way. There is a new challenge to create powerful decks that utilize the strength of cards rarely seen or used. It temporarily takes decks and evens the playing field while players are skillfully mastering the new list. After a time tiers begin to form again. Releases come and go and have a bigger impact as cards they mimic are not available.

ELO, the so called place to find competition and prove your worth is essentially meaningless. A card game is supposed to take skill. In eredan it often comes down to if you can afford the cards for your deck or not. Little note is given to the player who takes a simple deck of simple cards to 1800 or so. He gets no reward, he gets nothing. He is also probably better than the majority of players above him, but no one notices so whats the point.

A private duel is one thing, ELO is public. You are there to show everyone else how good you are and right now all it is is how much I spend in the game. A proper format list puts skill back into the equation in a big way, changing eredan forever.

How does this help feerik?
While this isn't as big an issue as it seems to the player on first hand, anyone with simple business experience knows the better feerik does, the longer we have our game and the better chance we have at improvements from them.

So feerik what do you gain? First and foremost, less fallout. Less players quit which means more players are around purchasing your product. Second, with a renewed spirit of competition the potential for players who have already left may return, which in turn produces a higher chance for purchases of your product. Lastly, with a greater community you enhance the chance for expansion. Beit it purchasing a larger server, introduction into a real time tcg, or worldwide tournaments. All of which net more money.

That's pretty much it. Most trading card games have some sort of format list. Fallout from these lists is inevitable but garner a rate of return with new players and old returning once the dust has settled.

I play a card game to win and have fun. I have fun playing in depth strategies that may need to be changed based on whats ahead of me. Currently I need only leave room for 4-5 cards in a deck and guestimate how rich or poor my opponent is. Not exactly what I have in mind when looking for some competition. But hey to each his own.

Regardless of the outcome of this post I will have a format list that many people will disagree with, and others will like. It evens out the playing field for the rich, poor, and everywhere in between. It opens up the game for the great tacticians and the stone cold aggressive people.

Should there be a format list for the Eredan iTCG

Yes
No

Votes totaux: 32

Les résultats du sondage sont masqués pour les invités

jackal19 · 19-07-2011 09:49:49

Yes a format list would be great so elo would be rewarding for a change and not for the rich people to play in and of course balance.

Roarky · 19-07-2011 10:07:22

Also why dont made another ELO room for players like lv 6 to 10 and the rest...
To get more people to play ELO...

I like this idea ^^

Aigle1705 · 19-07-2011 10:32:22

the lvl doesnt say a single word bout force...

elo only needs more banns, the whole legendary bullshit needs a permanent bann.
there are 4-5 highend decks, but if un dont have the 1million cristalls for them you dont needa play elo.

and some cards need unique status ( the game balance sucks ), like:
new start, syphon, portal, name of drake, dance wi' volk, ...

Glasher · 21-07-2011 01:56:24

Wow 17-1 maybe we can bring about a change.

At the very least maybe as a community we can hold events using a list we come up with.

Lulosaurio · 22-07-2011 06:55:16

I think changing the banned cards every week or 2 is a great way to bring change to the game without making cards unplayable.

Glasher · 23-07-2011 00:56:25

Lulosaurio a écrit :

I think changing the banned cards every week or 2 is a great way to bring change to the game without making cards unplayable.

Itd be a little longer than that. One point of a format list is to create an actual format. We had one where discard dominated. It wasnt balanced. A full list allows a balanced format. A balanced format allows new releases to be more beneficial. It also allows for more events that can supercede weekly releases giving the staff more time to fix things and test before releasing to prevent issues.

I do like the initiative I just wish they would go full blown. Get out of the kiddie pool Feerik and step into the deep end.

Nurvus · 23-07-2011 01:56:04

1 - I like the idea of making it clear and accessible to everyone what cards are banned or restricted (to 1 or 2).

It should be constantly and instantly updated so that players are well aware of what cannot be used.
Furthermore, a brief explanation of why the card is currently in that special situation should be provided.

2 - Maybe I got it wrong, but I got the feeling you would have the players choose/vote the banned cards? If so, there's no way I would ever agree with this.

Players are, have always been and will always be biased.
Some a little, some alot, but everyone is.
A few even bother justifying - actually masking - their biased opinion.

It would above all remove any credibility in the developers, for various reasons.
It would be a brown snowball, if you get my meaning.

3 - I've already shared my view on how I think Feerik can improve the game tenfold in a few topics in the suggestions forum.
A quick recap:
a1) Have new cards that come replace old ones be released "incomplete" and requiring a "merge" with old cards to reach full potential.
a2) Keep updating old cards - stuff like Earth Armor and many cards that simply have ridiculously useless effects should be given an upgrade that keeps the original concept and improves the usefulness.
a3) Soft Counters - the decks have 20 cards (non-character). We can't possibly expect to "eventually" have a hard counter for everything in a deck. Instead, soft counters, wich essentially are cards that have normal effects that u integrate into your strategy, but also extra effects that are best used against certain kinds of opponents. These cards can be introduced as an update to old cards.

a1, a2 and a3 seem the same, but have very different perspectives.
Above all it would make players feel their past investment continuously valued, rather than ridiculed.

b) Grade Rooms - The only way to properly match players is to give cards a value according to their relative effectiveness, and then sum a deck's total card value to help fair matchings.
This would finally match skill vs skill rather than wealth vs wealth.

c) Reward at the end of combat - fight as or against slow decks is not bad in itself. It does become bad when the reward is not even remotely affected by the time a fight takes, such that alot of players rather lose by 3rd turn and cherry pick a "weak opponent" than fight their way through 12+ turns in a tough match.

This means scaling experience, crystal and character experience to the duration of a match.

d) Make it so that there is -absolutely no reason- to quit a match when you're losing or feel yourself at disadvantage.
How?
- Have the game take over the "quitting" player's deck and continue the match in a "basic" manner.
- Furthermore, the "quitting" player would be unable to start a new fight until the ongoing one ends.
Note: This would also make sure the winner deserves to win, rather than getting "free wins" every once in a while due to disconnects, arranged training or lack of fairplay.

e) Release cards every 2 weeks rather than every week, in larger amounts and -always- affecting all guilds.

Dernière modification par Nurvus (23-07-2011 02:18:46)

Glasher · 23-07-2011 05:09:03

If feerik made one def no player input.

If i ever finish mine will def take sum credible input on changes.

Nitevox · 23-07-2011 13:12:21

Always liked Formats in any cardgame I played, voted yes.

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