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MikeyB · 01-03-2011 10:53:53

they suck. i hate em. without new start they are EXTREMELY difficult to beat. Especially with the new cards and the new abysien. tho, i don't think they should be eradicated just because they are hard to beat....we really need some counter cards. ie
gambit - for every card discarded from ***bip*** hand this turn opponent recieves 2 direct damage. (this could be either a defense against discard or used as an offense against tanks)
Feel free to suggest any other counter cards and express how you feel about discard decks.

bleachman · 01-03-2011 11:45:26

Moved for obvious reasons.

Rathedan · 01-03-2011 16:17:50

Discards fine.

Learning how to appropriately counter it with your deck is part of playing the game. If you refuse to change your play style and try to force a set play against every deck, don't expect to win much.

MikeyB · 01-03-2011 23:47:59

Rathedan a écrit :

Discards fine.
Learning how to appropriately counter it with your deck is part of playing the game. If you refuse to change your play style and try to force a set play against every deck, don't expect to win much.

funny. coulda sworn i said the same thing not too long ago...
i enjoy a good challenge. don't get me wrong. i like trying things to counter various play styles. my playstyle changes with nearly every game.
again, i don't feel they need to be gone entirely. but we really do need more options for countering. the old discard decks were manageable but these new discard monsters are on another level. i stacked a deck with obesity, moneyed and mimic and even they couldn't reduce the number of cards that got discarded.
came the closest to beating them tho.

Politikas · 02-03-2011 00:47:47

Name efective counters for discard (killing them in first 3 rounds is not cost effective, because you need to run A-bomb or Noz mages AND have hell of luck with draw)

Rathedan · 02-03-2011 02:35:17

I kill em all the time with Nomads. Notsomuch the Mercenary priest discard stall, but Zil's not so tough. Mercs are a stupid combo thats top ELO for a reason. To defeat it, you need to get your hands on legendaries.

Sap heart quickdraw decks are the same. You can't erase printed score attacks. Eliminate thier defense, attack 3x a turn, toast fast.

Any beatdown decks can destroy discard. Its a different paced game. You can't toss out a 2 card chain combo every time. Play smart and you'll win.

The funny thing to see is if it infringes on most cookie cutter strategies, most people can't play differently to counter it.

Have mages that get +spirit on their order bonus? STOP PLAYING THEM ON THEIR ORDER BONUS.

Have your first Warriors fury? WTF YOU DISCARDED IT? Oh...the second one gives +2 so you HAD to discard it? Bull. Make THEM discard it.

The best counter for discard is not midnlessly playing cards in an automatic fashion and actually think about the consequences.

Limestone · 02-03-2011 02:48:57

I have beaten 1900+ discard in elo, and survive 7 turns without getting my deck emptied and of course no ANS required.

The key against discard is to go all out attack, let them discard your defense meanwhile you saving attack cards, use your killer cards against key opponents like ishaia and abyssien.

Most of the time you just need to play nothing for prolonged battles

The reason you lost might because of your characters don't hit hard enough or you just can't manage your cards. Card management is a matter of winning or losing when it comes to discard

Dernière modification par Limestone (02-03-2011 03:00:18)

bleachman · 02-03-2011 06:41:07

Rathedan a écrit :

Learning how to appropriately counter it with your deck is part of playing the game. If you refuse to change your play style and try to force a set play against every deck, don't expect to win much.

This is a problem, literally, every poster I have seen post such a QQ 'Nerf plox' thread has. People really need to understand its a strategical game, and if you lose, change your tactics.

If you cannot afford certain cards, then buy feez to get more cards to sell and earn some cash to buy the ones you need. If you cannot get the Feez or are unwilling to do so, then you are just shit out of luck.

I don't run to WotC and bitch about not being able to defeat top game tourney decks with my purchase of one starter deck and 3 booster packs.

MikeyB · 02-03-2011 08:46:18

my nomads aren't strong enough yet to deal enough damage and it doesn't help if my best attack cards are discarded by theft or from my hand because i managed to get three of them in a single draw.

i love the strategy of the game and contrary to the impression you all have, i don't want the decks removed from the game.

i'm just saying we need more options for countering them other than pure luck of the draw.

but it's become a moot subject, since the only thing anyone has to offer in retrospect to this repeated complaint is, you need better cards or stronger characters. it's a bunch of crock if you ask me and hardly passes for advice.
mebbe i should just build a discard deck under the "if you can't beat em join em" philosophy, but how long til the majority of players decide the same thing?

basically, if ***bip*** lvl 15 or under, a discard deck is becoming ***bip*** best bet. and last i checked, that would mean ALOT of discard decks.

Dernière modification par MikeyB (02-03-2011 08:48:16)

bleachman · 02-03-2011 09:17:29

Discard decks have had some face time for a while now, if they were THAT powerful, we would already be swamped with them. You don't encounter that deck every game you play, all day long and in every match. So its not like they are such an overdramatised threat that annihilates every other deck out there.

Limestone · 02-03-2011 09:40:00

I thought nomads are sick ass beatdown type, maybe your deck lack in something.

On the contrary there are cheap counter to it, moneyed returns 1 to 3 random card(s) depends on your luck. But I never use those in my deck as it's very situational.

But ultimately you don't need some fancy cards to win against discard but some are exceptionally useful tho

The thing is about that philosophy, my pride kinda too big to swallow, rather than making the same deck I'd rather improvise and try again to beat them. Try this "if you can't beat them, try harder!!"

Uhh not really , I have fought lv.15 and under, some of them got deck unlike any other. Btw discard ain't so good either if made with low-budget crystal and heavily rely on spamming treacherous and panic.

If the majority switch to discard, not long after that they will change to beatdown en masse

Bloodlust007 · 02-03-2011 10:27:37

what limestone and bleachman says is true. they are there but not as much as they were a few weeks ago.

but as i have stated in another post a mill decks effectiveness is based on your opponents characters stats and on the opening hand. 3 panics ANS and Void can't do much to you opening turn.

MikeyB · 03-03-2011 10:15:23

I thought nomads are sick ass beatdown type, maybe your deck lack in something.

my nomads lack level....my fault for not playing them except during the priest trophy

what limestone and bleachman says is true. they are there but not as much as they were a few weeks ago

mebbe not at ***bip*** guys' level, but in the 1500-1700 elo range i'm running into them more and more usually one every other game. What even prompted me to write this was the fact that prior to typing the initial complaint as well just before typing this specific comment i played 4 separate discard deck consecutively. (only this time i beat one of them, because his circus characters were level 1)

icefanta · 03-03-2011 18:53:35

for me i'll do something like:
-anathemetize their panic (i don't have ans)
-let that devourer or salem meets Hook (blackhand ver.)
-let the phoenix fry them
-let abbysien meets narwhal

quotes of the day: "if u can't beat them, create something different"
sorry for bad english

XenoZangotta · 04-03-2011 15:19:31

I've got two golems in my running joke of a deck, and my usual tactic against discards includes Shurikens and Firons... and maybe a guardian's spear for the last guy. The rest of the cards are waste, but it works for me 90% of the time. (They can't get rid of the shuriken I'm using unless they have the prestige for another one anyway. That's when I lose it.)

Eredan-Dan · 04-03-2011 18:19:18

XenoZangotta a écrit :

(They can't get rid of the shuriken I'm using unless they have the prestige for another one anyway. That's when I lose it.)

Or they run CD right after you equip the Shuriken.

Nurvus · 07-03-2011 16:22:43

Discard decks are definitely counterable and beatable. However:
1 - While other decks must sacrifice cards to counter Discard, to counter Courtesan, to counter Mages, etc, Discard decks work against everyone without having to sacrifice "efficiency" to get "counters".

2 - Scales with OPPONENT stats, not yours. Character level barely matters. I grabbed Marlok the Repentant + Salem + BloodSword for the fun of it and essentially won every game with Lv1 characters and no rare cards in the deck, against several different decks with Maxed out characters.

So it's an unfair deck as at low levels it beats everything, and at higher levels it still beats most decks, and forces other decks to hold counters that are effectively useless against 80% of the remaining decks.

3 - Even with counter cards:
- If you draw "[card]A new start[/card]" early, you may be forced to discard it (or play it to avoid discard) before it's worth using.
- Any "A new start" or [card]Moneyed[/card] may go to the discard pile from [card]Theft[/card] before you draw it, and then suffer a nice [card]The Prestige[/card] or [card]Anathematize[/card].
Played by Telendar - Theft -> The Prestige or something of the sorts is deadly.

So currently, the decks I'm seeing the most are unfortunately Courtesans and Circus.
I mean... alot.
(And some ppl complain about WitchBlades lol)

Dernière modification par Nurvus (07-03-2011 16:51:36)

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