I read Bleach each week, so I don't have any "missed" stuff ;p And I really have 2 problems with the manga : dumb power ups from out of space (sorry, DBZ's Time Room is really a lazy way to power up a character) and pointless fights (I explain this later).
Maybe Kubo is explaining his power up, but they are lazy explaination (again, Time Room, yada yada). There is no "real" training (like in Naruto, where he has to spends weak to gain the power up Ichigo gains in a few seconds), just "you are too weak to venture further. Here, take this power up". That makes dumb fights, like the one vs Kenpachi where he goes from "I can't cut his skin" to "I two-shot him" in just 2 chapters.
As for the side kicks, they are plainly useless and pointless. I don't remember any good fight from them. And the problem is that we have to deal with their fights. The real interesting ones would have been the fights between Ol'yama, Jushiro and Shunsui, or Kenpachi / Byakuya vs Arrancar 0. Instead we get to see Chad's fights. Great. Fun. Or not.
And I don't talk about stupid plot twists. Like the fact that Ichigo can stop a Zanpakto "that has the power of a hundred ones" with one hand. At the end of the second season... Or like the fact that he has to go and save Athena every 2 seasons.
I don't say that Naruto is the best manga ever. I don't say it's a good one. But it has much more sense in my opinion. First of all, we know the deal at the start : Naruto has the greatest demon ever inside him, and we know he'll have to learn how to control him before getting "at the top". We also know he has some kind of relationship with the 4th hokage who's rumored to be the strongest of all.
Unlike bleach who starts like "here's a random character, he gets power. By the way, we didn't tell you he had some kind of strong reiatsu. Here's the power up. By the way, we forgot to tell you that he has another special feature, here's the power up that goes with it. By the way, we forgot to tell you another thing. Here's the power up that goes with that other thing."
There are training session, too. You see Naruto progressing. I mean : you really see him. Until Shippuuden, which is almost as dumb as Bleach. But until then, when he gains power, you know he spent weeks training to get it. Weeks. Not seconds. And, well, there are side kicks. When Chad is busy being useles, at least Rock Lee offers some show. When Ishida loses his sight... I mean, his powers, Neji demonstrates that he's not only an arrogant bastard.
So I'm totally with Cossette on this one : Naruto and Bleach totally took it from DBZ when you talk about cheesy and stupid plots. But while Kubo decided that he could go even further in the dumb and silly power up course, Kishimoto decided to start with a strong base, and screwed up later (even if it wasn't a total screw up. Immortal arc is wonderful, even if it ended like a bleach arc )
And yeah, Psyren is quite good. A shame it was canceled. That made the end too fast.

Sorry Sapphon, but let me say this:
In Naruto (manga/anime), Naruto (character) started out by being a complete fail at Bunshin, only to grab a secret scroll and learn Kage Bunshin overnight and excell at it.
Same deal with most of his sessions, where he fails for days straight, in a way that seems like he's hopeless, and then succeeds in the final 2 days or so due to some encouragement or whatever.

He also is goofy and stupid since the beginning, and then out of the blue makes moves that seem like he had planned them from the start, and then goes back to being goofy and stupid.

In Bleach, spiritual power without determination or determination without spiritual power are worthless.
That is what Ichigo discovers in his fight against Zaraki.
He steels/hardens his spirit with a stronger resolve.

Plus, in Bleach he's not training his body, he's training his spirit.
It's not exactly the same thing.

Also, Ichigo, throughout the series, is shown to have great potential, but his thinking always gets in the way.
He thinks too much, doubts too much, his resolve falters, and so his zanpakuto isn't as powerful.
When he is knocked half unconscious or is brought to a state of desperation, much of his "thinking" gets out of the picture, and he is able to pull out more of his power.
It's also when his hollow is capable of pulling out.

In short, he is constantly "controlling" himself even though he doesn't notice it.

But I guess it's a subjective interpretation.

You're probably going to interpret your favorite anime in a way that makes it seem better in your eyes, and give importance to stuff in other animes that makes them seem worse.

Phawk · 29-08-2012 12:22:39

my fav is higurashi no naku koro ni (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVdRSUzqoGg) I also enjoyed Elfen Lied and umineko no naku koro ni

blackwaltz · 29-08-2012 13:24:16

Phawk a écrit :

my fav is higurashi no naku koro ni (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVdRSUzqoGg) I also enjoyed Elfen Lied and umineko no naku koro ni

oooooh, I love this. Too bad most of my friends finds this too bloody to watch

Dernière modification par blackwaltz (29-08-2012 13:31:53)

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