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Nurvus · 14-12-2011 16:32:53

Make it so the game automatically selects a default action whenever a player takes too long to decide, rather than ending the game - here are a few examples:
- Character Selection Phase - First available character on both sides
- Attack Phase - No cards used, simple attack
- Discard Effects - Minimum possible, discarded from left to right in the hand
- Effects that need you to select characters - First available character
- Discard Phase - Nothing discarded

- Even if a player "disconnects", the game would still select default actions.
- To avoid any exploits, a player that "takes too long to decide" so much as once, will automatically lose at the end of the fight (with the "sorry, you took too long to decide" message), get no crystals and no character nor player experience.

Furthermore, the time you have to decide should be smaller - about half as much - as games are already slow as it is.

Dernière modification par Nurvus (14-12-2011 16:37:24)

Hilmario · 14-12-2011 17:18:58

I really agree about reducing thinking time.

A possibility could be to introduce "blitz", where you have to make a decision within 20-30 sec. This could be implented with a separate room so the current state of the game is kept (for those want the longer think time).

soulst3al3r · 14-12-2011 17:23:38

Hilmario a écrit :

I really agree about reducing thinking time.
A possibility could be to introduce "blitz", where you have to make a decision within 20-30 sec. This could be implented with a separate room so the current state of the game is kept (for those want the longer think time).

I agree as well with this. This will also solve the issue of providing more crystals for players as more games in a smaller timeframe = more crystals

Paladino.:RR:. · 14-12-2011 17:38:54

I like this option, but what would stop players, from creating second accounts and let it running non stop in lvl rooms, with a simple bot that clicks on aleatory duel? I mean it would provide cristals that could be passe to another acc, beside giving cristals and victories to random people..

A good computer could run 10 accounts like that easily..

It would mean a lot of work for the staff do keep looking for bots and to investigate if the players fightning aganst them are benefiting of it on porpuse or just fightning in the level rooms..

goscar · 14-12-2011 18:28:34

^

Botting would be rampant.

Hilmario · 14-12-2011 18:31:34

Paladino.:RR:. a écrit :

I like this option, but what would stop players, from creating second accounts and let it running non stop in lvl rooms, with a simple bot that clicks on aleatory duel? I mean it would provide cristals that could be passe to another acc, beside giving cristals and victories to random people..
A good computer could run 10 accounts like that easily..
It would mean a lot of work for the staff do keep looking for bots and to investigate if the players fightning aganst them are benefiting of it on porpuse or just fightning in the level rooms..

What is stopping people from utilizing bots now? I don`t see how this relates with a quicker decision time.

Paladino.:RR:. · 14-12-2011 18:37:19

Hilmario a écrit :

Paladino.:RR:. a écrit :
I like this option, but what would stop players, from creating second accounts and let it running non stop in lvl rooms, with a simple bot that clicks on aleatory duel? I mean it would provide cristals that could be passe to another acc, beside giving cristals and victories to random people..
A good computer could run 10 accounts like that easily..
It would mean a lot of work for the staff do keep looking for bots and to investigate if the players fightning aganst them are benefiting of it on porpuse or just fightning in the level rooms..
What is stopping people from utilizing bots now? I don`t see how this relates with a quicker decision time.

Because it is necessary a more complex bot, that beside clicking aleatory confront, also need to select character and click fight, discard, especial effect played by adversarie and etc..

Much harder programing...

And I'm no especialiston programming, but it would stand to logic that it would reduce a lot the numbers of bots one could let in a single computer.. Making it unatractive.

Poptolev · 14-12-2011 18:46:48

Paladino.:RR:. a écrit :

Because it is necessary a more complex bot, that beside clicking aleatory confront, also need to select character and click fight, discard, especial effect played by adversarie and etc..
Much harder programing...
And I'm no especialiston programming, but it would stand to logic that it would reduce a lot the numbers of bots one could let in a single computer.. Making it unatractive.

Quite literally I am dying from laughter ATM. I can make such a bot in less than 10-20 minutes. Not everything has to be needlessly complicated you see.

I have to check, I might or might not still have a bot I made (not to explicitly use it but more like for a project). Used it with the old version of Trackers. It could chain, discard (it would be odd if a person doesnt discard at all) and pretty much had 50/50 win/lose ratio.

Dernière modification par Poptolev (14-12-2011 18:53:07)

Paladino.:RR:. · 14-12-2011 18:53:24

Poptolev a écrit :

Paladino.:RR:. a écrit :
Because it is necessary a more complex bot, that beside clicking aleatory confront, also need to select character and click fight, discard, especial effect played by adversarie and etc..
Much harder programing...
And I'm no especialiston programming, but it would stand to logic that it would reduce a lot the numbers of bots one could let in a single computer.. Making it unatractive.
Quite literally I am dying from laughter ATM. I can make such a bot in less than 10-20 minutes. Not everything has to be needlessly complicated you see.

Hope is one good enough to run multiple eredan, so it's worth keeping the computer on all the time?

Still your one so far in the entire forum, so it's explains why the bots are not rampaging now, as they could be if the suggestion was implamented.

Dernière modification par Paladino.:RR:. (14-12-2011 18:57:50)

Poptolev · 14-12-2011 18:54:58

TBH if you want to use it against yourself and have the PC for it, you can make 3-4 virtual PC and use it on all of them. (I dont see a reason to bot on 4 accounts but meh, someone might find the need xD)

Paladino.:RR:. · 14-12-2011 19:05:24

Poptolev a écrit :

TBH if you want to use it against yourself and have the PC for it, you can make 3-4 virtual PC and use it on all of them. (I dont see a reason to bot on 4 accounts but meh, someone might find the need xD)

I can see a lot of people using it to lvl character on training room, even on their main account.. Wouldn't even use a bot, just doing while watching tv, or reading a book ro any other web game. Click aleatory confront, wait something like 5 minuts go check eredan again, click on aleatory and etc..

As for the level room, there are always people crazy enough, if they timmer was smaller, and the person would run lwo lvl character so they die quick, it could make something like 4-5k cristals in 24 hours, if running something like 10 accounts, 50k - 10% to pass for the main accout, 45k in one day..

As I said, it dosen't happen now, cause is too much trouble and the timmer bigger, but it could happen. And if one person made the bot and put on the internet, a lot of people who never thougt baout doing it would jumpo to the chance.

I personally agree with reducing the timmer just not for the auto-selecting stuff.

Caitlyn · 15-12-2011 02:25:03

some people read the card descriptions like for turn bonuses or permanent effects before actually playing cards though

sometimes deciding takes a while

Rolth · 15-12-2011 03:27:39

I agree. I have to read the cards (especially opponents' cards) sometimes to figure out what's going on and plan my strategy. ELO rooms only have 1 minute per action, so that doesn't seem bad to me.

As for the "auto" option, I like the idea since I keep having people leave if they see I'm winning. Especially hold-out decks...

If some kind of auto-option took over in order to allow the other player to continue the fight and win the applicable trophies (mainly the PERFECT ones) that would be GREAT!

Nurvus · 15-12-2011 04:40:25

goscar a écrit :

^
Botting is already rampant.
However, I failed to read the part where Nurvus said whoever takes too long to decide so much as once, earns nothing at the end of combat.

Fixed

Dernière modification par Nurvus (15-12-2011 04:43:22)

goscar · 15-12-2011 07:36:14

You don't get it. With your "Fix" you can make muk accounts level them up a bit and then just let them run wild with bots running them. They don't need to level or get exp/crystal but the players facing will be getting the benefits. But hey you "Fix" the problems bot had in having to play cards and all. Good job.

Dernière modification par goscar (15-12-2011 07:36:49)

Nurvus · 15-12-2011 14:56:34

Bots don't have problems in playing. Only bad bots...

ledeir · 15-12-2011 17:31:05

Just giving my two cents...

It would be really nice if it did choose a default action. Its very frustrating when the game glitches on me and prevents me from clicking anything.

I agree it does have the potential to be abused. So it should probably be a once a game thing just to handle the occasional glitch or distraction.

Nurvus · 16-12-2011 17:08:56

Another thing, Goscar, someone who uses a bot will probably have a friend or alt doing the same and fight between simple decks - one of the sides will probably just discard and do nothing.

So seriously, the situation you speak of is vastly unprofitable, because it takes "too long" to take "too long to decide" in order to be more profitable than just spamming fights with someone you know.

Dernière modification par Nurvus (16-12-2011 17:22:54)

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