Oh yeah! The new card it has "chain" and got "def bonus" and it can be use by everyone...
and not only witchblades uses magic attack all mage as well my only concern its unique
another one [card]hypnotic melody[/card] will work against it too! and we know when you see [card]Melissandre[/card] there's always a hypnotic... thanks

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GGuti · 29-03-2011 17:13:13

A really underused card [card]Tensai[/card], Kot warriors will gain +2 or +3 permanent Spirit (against WB).

Also Zils should remember to use Dark Stone Heart (negates RoD's and Magic Attacks), it helps vs Mages too
Just my two cents

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Cossette · 29-03-2011 18:31:41

GGuti a écrit :

A really underused card [card]Tensai[/card], Kot warriors will gain +2 or +3 permanent Spirit (against WB).
Just my two cents

[card]Okooni[/card] love tensai... maybe other decks would appreciate it too...

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misterM · 29-03-2011 19:26:59

1. A-BOMB deck: Obesity works very well, I throw 3 obes in deck.
2. Discard deck: Obesity often help to cancel panic/tada/theft, but it's likely not guarantee the winning... ANS is the best answer, but it's too pricey for me so I don't have it.
3. Witchblade: NO CURE. Dead in 4-5 turn. 1 hit kill +lighting bolt. Obesity won't help, and there's no way you can prevent both normal and magic dmg at the same time (guess? LOL).
Just if I get lucky turn 1, I usually choose to face Moira+Egylantyne to prevent their order, and they have such large difference low/high attack, so just pray for low dmg.
4. Noz: Not as hard as witchblade, just hit fast and hard. Discard +def cards.
5. Ishaia: If she goes turn 1 and you don't have killing combo (TTD+assasination/something dish out lot of dmg), just say goodbye.
Constant healing+manipulation+barrier, almost impossible to kill her in the late game.
Oh again, Obesity works very well against manipulation and overwhelming victory, but poorly if she decided to use ice barrier.

GGuti · 29-03-2011 19:36:25

misterM a écrit :

2. Discard deck: Obesity often help to cancel panic/tada/theft, but it's likely not guarantee the winning... ANS is the best answer, but it's too pricey for me so I don't have it.

Panic is a spell. The best answer against discard if u have 1 spirit or less is not playing cards, or nukeing Ish / Abyss (if u are sure you can OHKO them
-7 points (barrier + tadaa) Ish
-9 points (look away + tadaa + 1 health point from bonus) Abyss

But calculating an average of -3 or -4 will do most times.

The other way around discards is Hook version that ignores Shadow Spells, but it obviously limits you a lot

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Politikas · 29-03-2011 19:44:03

Compared to new evils (mainly discard and witchblades) A-bomb looks less and less OP. its just a normal deck with chars with good stats.

Rathedan · 29-03-2011 19:54:57

Politikas a écrit :

Compared to new evils (mainly discard and witchblades) A-bomb looks less and less OP. its just a normal deck with chars with good stats.

Thats funny cause Discard and Witchblades are the decks I can usually beat no problem with Zil beatdown.

I tend to have more trouble with decks that stall and heal.

GGuti · 29-03-2011 22:32:56

new card to piss WB's = Dandy, has a lot of combinations, like full courts, Meliss + Ydiane.. etc

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RyogaLX · 30-03-2011 01:54:38

Oka, let me repeat it again...
You'r plan it's deal with OP decks with ..... the current OP decks?
What's the point? If you really want to give some "appreciable" or "resourceful" for deal the OP.

What was the OP decks for you?

Cossette · 30-03-2011 03:41:56

RyogaLX a écrit :

Oka, let me repeat it again...
Your plan it's deal with OP decks with ..... the current OP decks?
What's the point? If you really want to give some "appreciable" or "resourceful" for deal the OP.
What was the OP decks for you?

My pain is Mages/Priest.... and I'm using pirates (all types) I'm familiar with my weakness and as of now not much cards are created for my guild to deal with this pain... or i just sacrifice them all for a big Kabooom!

Then... I open up this topic for everyone can read that "OP" decks can be dealt with and beaten up just like every other deck around... and not seeing only complains that they are the king of META...

sharing ideas from us player's on how to counter them and fine tune our decks...
Be the solution and not the problem... every deck counts cheap or expensive

This is a give and take tips... so people will stop complaining that they're deck are so weak and can't solve their dilemma over "OP" decks... and they can say that.
"i beat-up this "OP" deck with my little creation"... and seeing from the "OP" deck what a surprise that they can be molested by a hundred crystal card...

Hope you got my point...

(for the "OP" owners I have a WB and Discard too..., so its fair to say I'm not bias on "OP" decks what counter cards we put in here will be my pain too)

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Cossette · 30-03-2011 03:50:38

Politikas a écrit :

Compared to new evils (mainly discard and witchblades) A-bomb looks less and less OP. its just a normal deck with chars with good stats.

Your right! with the coming of new cards, A-bomb is becoming less and less of a threat... more likely going to stall like DK's anytime soon...

Anything you would like to add up.... you can put anything and maybe someone have a solution on it who would love to share...

Dernière modification par Cossette (30-03-2011 05:07:35)

Erian · 30-03-2011 23:34:04

As I said on another post...
Cards that aren't used much, but could help...
Against WBs or Mages:

Philosophical Debate
Bleeding
Fierce Lion (stop crying abt RoDs...)
Tracker Emblem
Tracker Mask
Diversion (isn't it fun to be able to chain it with 'Assassination'?)
Dark Stone Heart (funny!)
Evil/Good Jorusien
Runic Gauntlet (guess what, 2 def and +2 spirit if the opponent plays a spell or theurgy... CAN BE WORN BY ANYONE, NOT JUST HARES!) -Can't think of a reason why not to have 3 of these in ANY deck... Other than a pure-mage's deck
Totemic Shield
"War Axe" (in "" cuz it's not that big deal...)
Dandy
Gemineye
Iolmarek
Keizan
Lady Yilith (limiting enhancements... Sounds good)
Malyss (on a tracker deck...)
Orzine
Psalm
Exhort Faith ('the opposite' of Lightning Bolts except on the part where EF doesn't get reduced by Spirit [well... LB usually doesn't, either, since most ppl plays with chars of Spirit=0])
Counterspell
Deflection (50%-50%)
Disappearance (-2 to damage)
Expiation
Magic Shield
Randori (not so good)
Treacherous
Overwhelming Victory
Armor of the Thunder King (can be worn by others as well).

Well... Those r the ones I could think of... Without having to be a Noz...

Dernière modification par Erian (30-03-2011 23:39:13)

TheOmnislash · 31-03-2011 01:25:05

Well in my opinion for prepareing for meta or OP decks you would end up haveing to use situation cards to win games against OP decks.
To me dealing with OP decks would be to deal with the strenghts of a deck. What makes the deck OP is when a deck has too many strenghts to deal with to get a good win against it. So if those decks exsist we need new cards to deal with them or get good at timeing cards just right to counter all their strenghts. But I don't see a deck that is OP seems to me if you can't beat this deck you can beat the others. And sorry if I repeted myself.

As for an idea against witchblades, well I don't have that much trouble with them. I use pirates and use exstortion against that sword they use. I can't say I always win but its at least 6 outa 10 I win. But I lose to a lot of others, and Noz magic isn't that bad either because I can kill the defenceless chars with my Narwhals.(Love it when they use all those spells to buff up their defence just for me to shoot the other chars lol) Oh and speaking of Narwhal u can use them to get around those pesky ice barrier thingys, Lol. You don't take dmg from them when shooting a char that isn't active. one day I will remember the names of all these cards.

Cossette · 31-03-2011 03:33:29

Thank you for the responses...
do you have winning moments you like to share... we can make new strategies out of that

Vasillisque · 31-03-2011 05:43:30

this thread is win, i'll read through soonly, hopefully,

TheOmnislash · 31-03-2011 05:49:04

the new cards that just came out seem like they will help alot! yay!

mostly Favor of the Dawn i think could go into any deck.

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Santuros · 01-04-2011 01:20:37

Yeah well, i was wondering, i am currently developing a nomad priest deck, and i love to battle with abomination, too easy when i use spiritual duel-Rampart of faith with Orzine, he becomes a puppy , i can say the sameabout telendar.

When facing the WB i just have to use swarm of scarabs, the magic book of the nomds and keep healing myself, althoug it is not as easy as it sounds...

The problem would be when facing a discard deck, there is nothing i can do when my characters have high spirit, mostly beacuse i base my deck on it, so i dont have aura of faith in my deck.

Finally, for the mages and courtesans is the same strategy against the witches, although ishaia high spirit and defence dont let me do much against her :S

Dernière modification par Santuros (01-04-2011 01:21:49)

Jason_C · 01-04-2011 07:03:43

I guess really this thread should be changed to how to get above 1600 elo rating using not one of the top 5 decks.

noz mages have been replaced by witchblades they just haven't really been around since Naya has come out. Surprised you didn't have yilth port on your list, or merc stall both are 1900 - 2000+ elo decks whom for the most part beat almost all the decks you have mentioned.

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Cossette · 01-04-2011 11:08:36

I guess really this thread should be changed to how to get above 1600 elo rating using not one of the top 5 decks.

its just came up in my mind, but my reason of making this post is change the mood of player keep on saying OP, OP, OP... for almost 3 day straight, somenone has to have something good that would give reasons on keep playing their deck... or everyone of us will Just make WB, Discard, noz deck etc. and getting the monotonous results. where is the strategies on that? if all players has the same deck all the time...

(Inquest 2004 issue) one reason why MTG lost its popularity cause everyone are aiming for the top ten deck... with 5000+ cards to choose from, but only few cards are being use... or your playing type 2 decks or type 1 deck which limit your deck choices...

Surprised you didn't have yilth port on your list, or merc stall both are 1900 - 2000+ elo decks whom for the most part beat almost all the decks you have mentioned.

I thought of that too... but not all decks can go up 1900-2000+ elo mosty they go run in level rooms which those 5 are the most popular...

I could add them up if you like but i think few people got good stories to tell that they kick yilith butt and slam her face in the gutter... with a $10 deck

You are welcome post your strategies againt them we might get some tips againts the top tier decks and lets wait for peoples response...
i thank you for you concern i really appreciate the comments

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Ryken · 01-04-2011 14:43:08

I've never actually seen a Merc Stall before. >_>

What does it consist of?

Rathedan · 01-04-2011 15:09:27

Eternal, Yilith, Ateb. Stoneater, Apostle.

3 of those

Lots of Defense stacking, Oath of faith, Sacred Nova, Divine light, A New start to recycle, and mental siphon to force you to drop under 5 cards in your final hand.

Most annoying deck ever.

Cossette · 01-04-2011 16:16:35

TheOmnislash a écrit :

the new cards that just came out seem like they will help alot! yay! mostly Favor of the Dawn i think could go into any deck.

I guess its my turn... well i encounter this deck using the new cards, i was using my "WB" back then... i saw him using [card]Jian Qiao[/card], [card]Asajiro[/card], [card]Sen' Ryaku[/card] well as i can see its a typical Kotoba high defense/low spirit deck. so i was thinking going head to head magic against it. [card]Favor of the Dawn[/card] and i think this new card will be Hot...

First turn: i use Anazra and i choose Sen' Ryaku i know i'll hit her down to 2 to 4 hp... Anazra ([card]blade of the witch[/card]+[card]magic attack[/card]) Sen' Ryaku ([card]Life Devourer[/card]+[card]Imperial Armor[/card]) were both down to 7hp.

Second turn: opponent choose Asajiro against my Eglantyne and Moira i use ([card]Blade of the witch[/card]+[card]Ice coffin[/card]) asajiro uses ([card]Favor of the dawn[/card]+[card]Randori[/card]) my double magic blade attack bounce off and Eglantyne and Moira down to 6hp Asajiro down to 8hp.

Third Turn: my Naya uses ([card]Unleash Hell[/card]) and Jian Qiao uses ([card]Randori[/card]+[card]Blast off![/card]) Naya down to 8hp Jian Qiao down to 10hp

Fourth turn: opponent choose Asajiro 5hp because of [card]unleash hell[/card] against my Naya i use [card]Sword of light[/card]+[card]Fireball[/card] and Asajiro uses [card]Zazen[/card] were both dead and buffing the two characters with [card]Zazen[/card]...

Fifth turn: i Choose Eglantyne and Moira againts Sen' Ryaku(+5 attack zazen) (using Double [card]Ice coffin[/card]) and Sen' Ryaku uses ([card]Favor of the Dawn[/card]+[card]Randori[/card]) opponents deflect all my magic damage and killed Eglantyne and Moira and Sen' Ryaku down to 2 Hp.

Sixth turn: my anazra use ([card]Ice Shield[/card]+[card]Sword of light[/card]) Jian Qiao(+5 attack zazen) uses ([card]keep your guard up![/card]+[card]imperial armor[/card]) Anazra melee damage just bounce and loosing the match, leaving Jian Quio 6hp left...

With this new card [card]Favor of the Dawn[/card] that can be use by almost every guild in addition with the other combos you have read... next time the "WB" deck will be the one complaining OP! OP! OP! weird huh!!!

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TheOmnislash · 01-04-2011 18:00:51

Cossette a écrit :

TheOmnislash a écrit :
the new cards that just came out seem like they will help alot! yay! mostly Favor of the Dawn i think could go into any deck.
I guess its my turn... well i encounter this deck using the new cards, i was using my "WB" back then... i saw him using [card]Jian Qiao[/card], [card]Asajiro[/card], [card]Sen' Ryaku[/card] well as i can see its a typical Kotoba high defense/low spirit deck. so i was thinking going head to head magic against it. [card]Favor of the Dawn[/card] and i think this new card will be Hot...
First turn: i use Anazra and i choose Sen' Ryaku i know i'll hit her down to 2 to 4 hp... Anazra ([card]blade of the witch[/card]+[card]magic attack[/card]) Sen' Ryaku ([card]Life Devourer[/card]+[card]Imperial Armor[/card]) were both down to 7hp.
Second turn: opponent choose Asajiro against my Eglantyne and Moira i use ([card]Blade of the witch[/card]+[card]Ice coffin[/card]) asajiro uses ([card]Favor of the dawn[/card]+[card]Randori[/card]) my double magic blade attack bounce off and Eglantyne and Moira down to 6hp Asajiro down to 8hp.
Third Turn: my Naya uses ([card]Unleash Hell[/card]) and Jian Qiao uses ([card]Randori[/card]+[card]Blast off![/card]) Naya down to 8hp Jian Qiao down to 10hp
Fourth turn: opponent choose Asajiro 5hp because of [card]unleash hell[/card] against my Naya i use [card]Sword of light[/card]+[card]Fireball[/card] and Asajiro uses [card]Zazen[/card] were both dead and buffing the two characters with [card]Zazen[/card]...
Fifth turn: i Choose Eglantyne and Moira againts Sen' Ryaku(+5 attack zazen) (using Double [card]Ice coffin[/card]) and Sen' Ryaku uses ([card]Favor of the Dawn[/card]+[card]Randori[/card]) opponents deflect all my magic damage and killed Eglantyne and Moira and Sen' Ryaku down to 2 Hp.
Sixth turn: my anazra use ([card]Ice Shield[/card]+[card]Sword of light[/card]) Jian Qiao(+5 attack zazen) uses ([card]keep your guard up![/card]+[card]imperial armor[/card]) Anazra melee damage just bounce and loosing the match, leaving Jian Quio 6hp left...
With this new card [card]Favor of the Dawn[/card] that can be use by almost every guild in addition with the other combos you have read... next time the "WB" deck will be the one complaining OP! OP! OP! weird huh!!!

lol all i can say is exactly! Its what i was thinking when i seen that card right away.

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