Tier 1 - totally broken and get a rework soon™
[card]Ourenos[/card]
Tier 2 - broken with the right cards
[card]Admiral Al Killicrew[/card] ([card]Lost Scroll from Kan-del[/card])
[card]Centorium Aurius[/card] ([card]Runic training[/card])
[card]Nebsen, Ra's Sphynx[/card]
Tier 3 - strong but not this broken
[card]Zil, the living shadow[/card]
[card]Nehantic Receptacle[/card]
[card]Master-Mage Pilkim[/card]
Tier 4 - normal character
[card]Iro, the imperial champion[/card]
[card]Sevylath[/card]
[card]Doyen Verace-Councilor[/card]
[card]Foam Giant[/card]
[card]Lady Yilith[/card]
[card]Councilor Ishaia[/card]

I think Admiral is more OP than Ourenos. Ourenos doesn't come back to life.

mogellabor · 29-12-2012 23:54:09

Ourenos: Totally weak if his enemy can control his damage and kills Ourenos first

Nebsen: Strong, maybe the most powerful? Never defeated him

Al Killikrew: Fighted her many often, nearly never defeated her... (I hate her the most)

Ishaia & Veraz: Great couple but not as Legendaries

Receptacle, Zil, Pilkim, Aurius: aceptable as legendary

Iro & Foam Giant: Maybe a little bit weak?

Yilith & Sevylath:
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-My opinion, my Elo: thunder-courtesan-mages

Nurvus · 29-12-2012 23:55:12

Ourenos can simply kill 2 characters in one turn by sacrificing a character with [card]A Warrior's Heritage[/card].
He is broken.
Any card released for the Sap in the future has the potential to make Ourenos even more broken.

Admiral is OP; but less.
It takes too much to counter her (if you use Anathematize, you probably don't do enough damage to kill her on that turn); but her insane damage is based on 1 card that should be nerfed.
Yes, Scroll should be nerfed, to 5 powder tops, and +1 to mages and fire guemelites.

Ishaia is a very powerful character.
+1 to all spells?
Ice Barrier +2 Defense...
Double Clay +5 defense...

Dernière modification par Nurvus (29-12-2012 23:59:46)

Sereaphim · 30-12-2012 00:05:21

Dhaonrisemlan a écrit :

I think Admiral is more OP than Ourenos. Ourenos doesn't come back to life.

Admiral comes only back if there is a powder weapon or a fire spell in the discard pile. If you kill her in first round or use card to remove the discard pile she will not come back.

And Ourenos can kill her outside of the battle even if she comes back.
Not to forget that Ourenos has much stronger stats and kill his own units to get even stronger.

I think a battle Ourenos vs Admiral Al Killicrew is a 65/35 match up.

mogellabor a écrit :

Ourenos: Totally weak if his enemy can control his damage and kills Ourenos first

What the hell ?
How you kill him first ?
He can kill his own units with [card]The Warrior's heritage[/card].
He has 16 life and 3 armor does mean you need to deal 19 damage at least.

And he plays most time [card]Corrupted[/card] + [card]Life Devourer [/card] to counter one of your cards.

Or he plays[card] Eltarite Heritage[/card]/[card]Feign Death[/card] + [card]The Warrior's heritage[/card].

Dernière modification par Sereaphim (30-12-2012 00:31:49)

iQuit · 30-12-2012 00:15:22

The worst thing about Ourenos is that he gets access to Ihas and Feign Death , insane survivability .

mogellabor · 30-12-2012 00:16:12

Nurvus a écrit :

Ishaia is a very powerful character.
+1 to all spells?
Ice Barrier +2 Defense...
Double Clay +5 defense...

It even means -1 turns into 0, -2 into -1 and so on...
And there is not much she can do against mages,discard, courtesans, any other non-physical card

Sereaphim a écrit :

He has 16 life and 3 armor does mean you need to deal 19 damage.
And he plays most time Corrupted + Life Devourer to counter one of your cards.
Or he plays Feign Death + The Warrior's heritage and gets over 3 armor or more and 2 heal.

But he has just 1 spirit and if it's not his turn he can't play a card...

Mages like mine have beaten him many times

Dernière modification par mogellabor (30-12-2012 00:20:51)

iQuit · 30-12-2012 00:24:56

Because he is a warrior , yes , mage can burst him down . But it's not about you can beat him or not but it's about how the character is much stronger than others

Sereaphim · 30-12-2012 00:24:57

mogellabor a écrit :

Nurvus a écrit :
Ishaia is a very powerful character.
+1 to all spells?
Ice Barrier +2 Defense...
Double Clay +5 defense...
It even means -1 turns into 0, -2 into -1 and so on...
And there is not much she can do against mages,discard, courtesans, any other non-physical card
Sereaphim a écrit :
He has 16 life and 3 armor does mean you need to deal 19 damage.
And he plays most time Corrupted + Life Devourer to counter one of your cards.
Or he plays Feign Death + The Warrior's heritage and gets over 3 armor or more and 2 heal.
But he has just 1 spirit and if it's not his turn he can't play a card...
Mages like mine have beaten him many times

[card]Corrupted[/card] reduce the magic damage by one and counters one of your spells.
[card]Eltarite Heritage[/card] reduce the magic damage by 8 and he ignore one of your spells. Good that he is elfine and hom'chai at the same time.
[card]Feign Death[/card] can heal him up at the end.
And he can even play [card]Kuar Mask[/card] level 2 if he like thanks to the good armor chain.
Not to forget his spirit increased with every hom'chai that dies.

Dernière modification par Sereaphim (30-12-2012 00:54:39)

mogellabor · 30-12-2012 01:44:18

Sereaphim a écrit :

mogellabor a écrit :
Nurvus a écrit :
Ishaia is a very powerful character.
+1 to all spells?
Ice Barrier +2 Defense...
Double Clay +5 defense...
It even means -1 turns into 0, -2 into -1 and so on...
And there is not much she can do against mages,discard, courtesans, any other non-physical card
Sereaphim a écrit :
He has 16 life and 3 armor does mean you need to deal 19 damage.
And he plays most time Corrupted + Life Devourer to counter one of your cards.
Or he plays Feign Death + The Warrior's heritage and gets over 3 armor or more and 2 heal.
But he has just 1 spirit and if it's not his turn he can't play a card...
Mages like mine have beaten him many times
[card]Corrupted[/card] reduce the magic damage by one and counters one of your spells.
[card]Eltarite Heritage[/card] reduce the magic damage by 8 and he ignore one of your spells. Good that he is elfine and hom'chai at the same time.
[card]Feign Death[/card] can heal him up at the end.
And he can even play [card]Kuar Mask[/card] level 2 if he like thanks to the good armor chain.
Not to forget his spirit increased with every hom'chai that dies.

Y U NO LISTEN? He won't be able to play this cards cause he already died from the magic damage suffered from cards like [card]Lightning Bolts[/card] and [card]Spark things off[/card]. (Yes, I know that I won't draw this cards every time I face him but at 75% of the games)

MerlinCross · 30-12-2012 01:49:37

What is Ourenos anyway? Story line wise?

Anyways:

Iro, the imperial champion
Sevylath
Doyen Verace-Councilor
Foam Giant
Lady Yilith
Councilor Ishaia

I've actually beaten these guys before, so they can't be that OP. I also rarely see them outside of Iro and Foamy. And when I do it's the Councilors for Mage or Discard decks.

Sereaphim · 30-12-2012 01:51:52

mogellabor a écrit :

Sereaphim a écrit :
mogellabor a écrit :
It even means -1 turns into 0, -2 into -1 and so on...
And there is not much she can do against mages,discard, courtesans, any other non-physical card

But he has just 1 spirit and if it's not his turn he can't play a card...
Mages like mine have beaten him many times
[card]Corrupted[/card] reduce the magic damage by one and counters one of your spells.
[card]Eltarite Heritage[/card] reduce the magic damage by 8 and he ignore one of your spells. Good that he is elfine and hom'chai at the same time.
[card]Feign Death[/card] can heal him up at the end.
And he can even play [card]Kuar Mask[/card] level 2 if he like thanks to the good armor chain.
Not to forget his spirit increased with every hom'chai that dies.
Y U NO LISTEN? He won't be able to play this cards cause he already died from the magic damage suffered from cards like [card]Lightning Bolts[/card] and [card]Spark things off[/card]. (Yes, I know that I won't draw this cards every time I face him but at 75% of the games)

And you will always start the game.
And you have like 7 spirit to kill him with both aoe in the first turn.
How high was your elo again ?
Because you must kill everything with your deck.
I have sadly no chance T_T

MerlinCross a écrit :

What is Ourenos anyway? Story line wise?

[card]Oureos[/card] is a combination out of [card]Gaya[/card] and [card]Elder Mailandar[/card].
With true love elfine and homchai can fusion to a eltarite.

Dernière modification par Sereaphim (30-12-2012 02:01:39)

mogellabor · 30-12-2012 02:03:26

Sereaphim a écrit :

mogellabor a écrit :
Sereaphim a écrit :
[card]Corrupted[/card] reduce the magic damage by one and counters one of your spells.
[card]Eltarite Heritage[/card] reduce the magic damage by 8 and he ignore one of your spells. Good that he is elfine and hom'chai at the same time.
[card]Feign Death[/card] can heal him up at the end.
And he can even play [card]Kuar Mask[/card] level 2 if he like thanks to the good armor chain.
Not to forget his spirit increased with every hom'chai that dies.
Y U NO LISTEN? He won't be able to play this cards cause he already died from the magic damage suffered from cards like [card]Lightning Bolts[/card] and [card]Spark things off[/card]. (Yes, I know that I won't draw this cards every time I face him but at 75% of the games)
And you will always start the game.
And you have like 7 spirit to kill him with both aoe in the first turn.
How high was your elo again ? Because you must kill everything with your deck.

Not everything but at least Urenos, this stupid Al Killicrew bugs...

And I didn't say Urenos ist useless/peace of crap or anything like this just not as OP like everybody says and I wouldn't change him... Feerik should change Nebsen & Lost Scroll from Kan-del

MerlinCross · 30-12-2012 02:30:02

Sereaphim a écrit :

[card]Oureos[/card] is a combination out of [card]Gaya[/card] and [card]Elder Mailandar[/card].
With true love elfine and homchai can fusion to a eltarite.

Hmm guess that kills my hope of Gaya getting an upgrade anytime soon then. :<

blackwaltz · 30-12-2012 02:38:13

What I hate in Oureos is his "when one of his allies dies he attacks someone" effect applies to himself when he dies. more than ten times I lost to him because he takes my surviving out of combat character and the character that killed him along with him.

Dernière modification par blackwaltz (30-12-2012 02:46:30)

Ori_Sacabaf · 30-12-2012 02:48:48

mogellabor a écrit :

And I didn't say Urenos ist useless/peace of crap or anything like this just not as OP like everybody says and I wouldn't change him... Feerik should change Nebsen & Lost Scroll from Kan-del

Yeah. And the fact that Ourenos takes up to 9 spots in the top 10 each time he is unleashed on Amnesy is pure coincidence. Must be the burgers. Or an alien plot.

mogellabor · 30-12-2012 02:55:18

Ori_Sacabaf a écrit :

mogellabor a écrit :
And I didn't say Urenos ist useless/peace of crap or anything like this just not as OP like everybody says and I wouldn't change him... Feerik should change Nebsen & Lost Scroll from Kan-del
Yeah. And the fact that Ourenos takes up to 9 spots in the top 10 each time he is unleashed on Amnesy is pure coincidence. Must be the burgers. Or an alien plot.

Must be some kind of circulation...

Other >> Me >> Ourenos >> Other

Sereaphim · 30-12-2012 03:11:47

mogellabor a écrit :

Ori_Sacabaf a écrit :
mogellabor a écrit :
And I didn't say Urenos ist useless/peace of crap or anything like this just not as OP like everybody says and I wouldn't change him... Feerik should change Nebsen & Lost Scroll from Kan-del
Yeah. And the fact that Ourenos takes up to 9 spots in the top 10 each time he is unleashed on Amnesy is pure coincidence. Must be the burgers. Or an alien plot.
Must be some kind of circulation...
Other >> Me >> Ourenos >> Other

So your deck lose against every other top deck.
But is really good in wining against Ourenos.
Oureos can win against every other deck.

And that is the reason why ourenos is balanced ?
So I can translate all your post in this thread like ...

Dear Feerik

Please nerf Rock.
Paper is fine. Learn to play noobs.

Yours faithfully Scissor.

Dernière modification par Sereaphim (30-12-2012 03:23:02)

mogellabor · 30-12-2012 03:16:17

Sereaphim a écrit :

mogellabor a écrit :
Ori_Sacabaf a écrit :
Yeah. And the fact that Ourenos takes up to 9 spots in the top 10 each time he is unleashed on Amnesy is pure coincidence. Must be the burgers. Or an alien plot.
Must be some kind of circulation...
Other >> Me >> Ourenos >> Other
So your deck lose against every other deck and can only win against Ourenos,
And that is why ourenos is balanced ?
So I can translate all your post in this thread like ...
Dear Feerik
Please nerf Rock.
Paper is fine. Learn to play noobs.
Yours faithfully Scissor.

It's like: If it can't beat me, how can it be strong if everyone else can? And I already said that this is my opinion, not everybody elses...

MerlinCross · 30-12-2012 03:20:39

mogellabor a écrit :

It's like: If it can't beat me, how can it be strong if everyone else can? And I already said that this is my opinion, not everybody elses...

Because not everyone runs the same deck as you do. And in ELO, sure they lose to you. But then get points back for beating the next guy that isn't running your deck.

As you said, it's your opinion. But I think more people think he's 'OP' than weak.

mogellabor · 30-12-2012 03:41:54

One last thing:

7 Spirit is easy with much luck:

Mylad 3 +1 plays [card]Truth[/card] (+1) and [card]Attracts Lightning[/card] (+1) plays [card]Attracts Lightning[/card] (+1) plays [card]Attracts Lightning[/card] (+1) plays [card]Spark things off[/card]

8 Spirit

Zorak · 30-12-2012 03:49:38

@mogellabor: you should play ELO harder bc in top 50, 45 players use Ourenos and this should be easy.
I respect your opinion but when I play 90% of my games against decks built around the same character, in a week that one of his staple cards is banned (Corrupted), something says to me that or this character is broken or the whole community of ELO players likes him too much to change.
Once in a while some random guy from my clan says to me "I'm gonna troll the level room with my Ourenos". In the lvl room, where you can use any OP shit that you have, Ourenos still dominate.

Nebsen and Aurius are the best legendary in terms of design. Admiral is really strong, but easily counterable.
I agree with most part of Seraphim's list. Receptacle should be lower bc his ability is 50/50 and Yilith higher bc she can take the whole power creep that we suffer now and spit on it. She just need a good trio and good neutral theurgies.

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