Some answers I have :
- The limit for card in game is now unlimited, it is a long foreseen modification by the staff, they found it will be better for the game, like Magic, low limit 60, no high limit.
- The limit of 50 in game is done to make a limit in game and avoid too excessive deck in game, not good for the memory/ CPU usage on the server and on your own computer. The 50 cards giving an idea of the really high possible deck. On paper card, if there was one paper card game, you can put unlimited number of cards.
- This possibility helps the new players to put theirs news cards in the deck without to have to remove one before. With time, they will learn that best deck are around 20-23 cards and not around 50.
- Art of the tracker is blocked by the users who want to see the price sky-rocketting, but it will never happen (everyday, one or two cards are sold blocking the high price, the sooner the players will understand that, the sooner the cards will be one the market)... Anyway, a solution for this in under study from the staff, but I have no further information on this subject.

Again, I'm not part of the staff, but when I have answer, I give you them.
Again, if I don't answer, this mean I don't have the answer.
Again, I'm from France and act on the forum at day time in France (like Sapphon), launching a big controversy during the night doesn't allows us to answer.

Stormholt · 07-06-2012 12:17:24

Okay, that was not my question, but nevermkind...

Thanks by helping Zurga, and i'm sorry for acting like an idiot...

kilcosu · 07-06-2012 12:30:53

Stormholt a écrit :

Nurvus a écrit :
You've convinced me.
I'm going to learn french.
Then I'll flood their forums with awesometastic nurvalicious suggestions and discussions.
The resulting chaos will cause Eredan to travel back in time, and when it reaches 2012, it'll be a 200 year-old program with highly advanced medieval features.

Fell the music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmZexg8sxyk
And my deck.
Now this post got all the way out.
Its a long way man xD

I watched the video and now it's on my favorites.

Stormholt · 07-06-2012 12:39:48

kilcosu a écrit :

I watched the video and now it's on my favorites.

MGMT= Rocks

Listen to this one, its good too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlYMZHn- … creen&NR=1

Its better when u doing, well....

Sapphon · 07-06-2012 12:50:24

Stormholt a écrit :

Again i ask, and i need a answer, why we players, cant decide things for the future of game too?

Because most players only cares about what they want for themselves, not for the community. We have a pool of players we use to make decisions when we think we don't have enough informations. The problem is we need these players to speak french, because... well, because the staff is french, and all of them aren't fluent in english. Zurga and me try our best to provide the staff non french feedbacks, but it's not always that easy.

As for the market reverse, it won't happen anytime soon. If we made it that way, it's because players were asking us to intervene on the market prices. Because a few players were making the prices go crazy. You think the prices aren't faire actually ? Ask yourself if it would be fair if every single played rare was at 200k + cristals on the market. You think we just want you to not be able to make cristals by buying low and selling high ? Ask yourself how you would have some cards if prices were 3 times what they are now, especially if you are a beginner.

Zurga a écrit :

(everyday, one or two cards are sold blocking the high price, the sooner the players will understand that, the sooner the cards will be one the market)...

More like between 10 and 20. But the team was supposed to study the sells in detail to see if there's a true need to change the limits calculations. I'll get the results asap.

NightmareJoke · 07-06-2012 14:12:40

Sapphon a écrit :

As for the market reverse, it won't happen anytime soon. If we made it that way, it's because players were asking us to intervene on the market prices.

Yes, and listening to the players was good.
The staff tried to change the market to prevent this, but the result is that new problems appeared. To me, people are more disappointed with the actual problem than the previous one.

Sapphon a écrit :

You think the prices aren't faire actually ? Ask yourself if it would be fair if every single played rare was at 200k + cristals on the market. You think we just want you to not be able to make cristals by buying low and selling high ? Ask yourself how you would have some cards if prices were 3 times what they are now, especially if you are a beginner.

The lack of common key cards is not a better problem. I think it affects even more people than not being able to get a rare card. The beginner (and even more the one who can't feez) can't have access to the rare card because he is poor (you know, when you have 30/40k cristals only, buying a 30k [card]quick draw[/card] would be the same as if it were 200k) but now, he can't have access to some key commons too.

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Sapphon · 07-06-2012 14:49:12

NightmareJoke a écrit :

(you know, when you have 30/40k cristals only, buying a 30k [card]quick draw[/card] would be the same as if it were 200k)

We've given quite a few ways to get some cristals without paying (example : ELO trophies, PvE, etc). So for a player who manage to get around 1700 ELO each weeks (2000+ cristals) and play in PvE, having to buy a 30k quick draw isn't the same at all than if he had to buy it 200k ;p

As for the lack of cards, we are fully aware of it, and we are pretty sure they aren't tied to the markets limits, but more to a bad calculation on our side.

Ikuyal · 07-06-2012 15:46:51

Zurga a écrit :

Some answers I have :
- Art of the tracker is blocked by the users who want to see the price sky-rocketting, but it will never happen (everyday, one or two cards are sold blocking the high price, the sooner the players will understand that, the sooner the cards will be one the market)... Anyway, a solution for this in under study from the staff, but I have no further information on this subject.

gosh......you still live in your imagination.

who would do such a boring thing that earn they maybe 300 crystals?

you can earn 20000 or more if you use TAoT to up grade Kotori to lv3 and sell it!!!

as I had said, TAoT worth much than 1000 crystals.
It is the price limit to blame because the price is too low that no one want to sell.
and you blame on players who have TAoT and don't sell it.
only idiot sell TAoT for 500 crystal, and we are "not" idiot, ok?

feerik always ignore the truth and dream in their own dreams.
a marketplace with many kinds of card vanished is not making some people poor. it makes everyone poor.
poor feerik...

Ikuyal · 07-06-2012 16:00:09

Sapphon a écrit :

Ask yourself if it would be fair if every single played rare was at 200k + cristals on the market. You think we just want you to not be able to make cristals by buying low and selling high ? Ask yourself how you would have some cards if prices were 3 times what they are now, especially if you are a beginner.

so what?

I played Eredan for 1.5 years and I didn't see that price become 1/3 after the new rule since last year's winter.

you are fooling yourself, but players are smart.

if the price goes 3 times from now, like you say, it also mean that you can get more crystals when you purchase a booster and sell the cards.
so it actually do no harm to beginners if they buy boosters.

now the price is bad and beginners can get only a few crystals when they buy boosters. and even worse if they get a worthless rare card.

don't you think the market rule exists right now is harming our beginners? ^.<

Ikuyal · 07-06-2012 16:07:49

Sapphon a écrit :

NightmareJoke a écrit :
(you know, when you have 30/40k cristals only, buying a 30k [card]quick draw[/card] would be the same as if it were 200k)
We've given quite a few ways to get some cristals without paying (example : ELO trophies, PvE, etc). So for a player who manage to get around 1700 ELO each weeks (2000+ cristals) and play in PvE, having to buy a 30k quick draw isn't the same at all than if he had to buy it 200k ;p
As for the lack of cards, we are fully aware of it, and we are pretty sure they aren't tied to the markets limits, but more to a bad calculation on our side.

you really think this works to help beginners to earn more crystals?

why don't you create a new account and try to get a 1600 point in ELO?
(and only 1000 for a week, they could play ELO every week and finally have 100w to buy hungry void after 20 years.....don't be foolish please

you've been dreaming and even worse that you think the dream is true.....

thrust me, go create a new account and face the truth.
it's not hard.

soulst3al3r · 07-06-2012 16:08:34

dude ikuyal, stop raging. Sapphon made valid points and you need to address them in a more civilized, thought out way. Although i am still looking for those art of trackings, i can tell you that i like this market more than the last one.

Sapphon · 07-06-2012 16:37:24

Ikuyalso a écrit :

what?
I played Eredan for 1.5 years and I didn't see that price become 1/3 after the new rule since last year's winter.
you are fooling yourself, but players are smart.

When I started to play Eredan, 2 years from now, I bought my A New Start at 10k, my Nehant Devours All at 50k, my Fire Balls at 8k each (it was really expensive at the moment).
A year from now, I was reading players complaining about how hard it was to get A New Start (1M), Nehant Devours All (900k), Rains of Death (200k).
Today I check prices : A New Start is at 700k, Nehant Devors All at 800k and Rains of Death at 130k.

The fact that prices lowered since the market changes may have nothing to do with these changes. That's a possibility.

if the price goes 3 times from now, like you say, it also mean that you can get more crystals when you purchase a booster and sell the cards.
so it actually do no harm to beginners if they buy boosters.

Yep. You make 3 times more cristals. The prices are 3 times higher. No change for those buying boosters, and harm done to those that don't buy them. That's really great, indeed !

With the prices how they are now, you make less cristals that you would have made if the prices were higher. But, guess what ? If you make less cristals, you need less cristals too ! The upside is that, since prices are lower, the XXXX free cristals you can make through ELO and adventure are more usefull than they would be without Market regulations.
Another direct upside : when prices are much higher, if you get Kroub in your booster you will still sell him at 1250 cx. But these 1250 will be much less useful than with lower prices.

That's facts : overall lower prices is ALWAYS the best for players in Eredan. Restraining the market so players can't force high prices is ALWAYS the best for players.

don't you think the market rule exists right now is harming our beginners ?

I don't really know. What's hurting most ? Having to buy cards at 100k + when you make around 4 or 5k free each week ? Or having to buy cards at 50k + when you still make around 4 or 5k free each week ?
Touch question o_O

soulst3al3r · 07-06-2012 16:45:37

Sapphon is laying the hammer down...As a free player, i love this market because cards are cheaper even if some cards are missing from the market.

Ikuyal · 07-06-2012 16:57:26

soulst3al3r a écrit :

dude ikuyal, stop raging. Sapphon made valid points and you need to address them in a more civilized, thought out way. Although i am still looking for those art of trackings, i can tell you that i like this market more than the last one.

I don't hate the market right now, actually.
You can buy cards that released a month ago with a very low price, and it could be even better if they are disappear from marketplace after 2 month and you can sell them to make you some profit.

What a lovely marketplace~

I just cannot bear people pretending blind that they cannot see the truth in front of them. and lie to others what ever they can.

this market is sick, if people cannot buy cards they want on the marketplace, or have to search for only a copy of them for weeks, then why do we need this marketplace?
price limit do only harm and is lack of efficiency.
I really hope the on in feerik who make rule about the marketplace read some more about the principle of Economic, or he would just keep harming us.

Ikuyal · 07-06-2012 17:05:25

soulst3al3r a écrit :

Sapphon is laying the hammer down...As a free player, i love this market because cards are cheaper even if some cards are missing from the market.

whatever.....if you are happy with it.
then let it be.

I just feel sad for those who want to buy some cards but can't find them on the marketplace.

If one day you cannot buy what you want, then don't blame to the marketplace.

soulst3al3r · 07-06-2012 17:05:50

Ikuyal a écrit :

soulst3al3r a écrit :
dude ikuyal, stop raging. Sapphon made valid points and you need to address them in a more civilized, thought out way. Although i am still looking for those art of trackings, i can tell you that i like this market more than the last one.
I don't hate the market right now, actually.
You can buy cards that released a month ago with a very low price, and it could be even better if they are disappear from marketplace after 2 month and you can sell them to make you some profit.
What a lovely marketplace~
I just cannot bear people pretending blind that they cannot see the truth in front of them. and lie to others what ever they can.
this market is sick, if people cannot buy cards they want on the marketplace, or have to search for only a copy of them for weeks, then why do we need this marketplace?
price limit do only harm and is lack of efficiency.
I really hope the on in feerik who make rule about the marketplace read some more about the principle of Economic, or he would just keep harming us.

lol u saying that all cards should be available goes against the basic rule of supply and demand in economics...Stop saying economics this and economics that when you compeletely ignore the biggest part of economics.

Sapphon · 07-06-2012 17:06:24

Ikuyal a écrit :

I just cannot bear people pretending blind that they cannot see the truth in front of them. and lie to others what ever they can.

You are talking about you, right ?

The market may have some problem and may still need some tuning. But the "top" limit has nothing to do with it. It's just simpler to "accuse" it when one has no understanding of what it really does and what it did until now.

soulst3al3r · 07-06-2012 17:06:57

Ikuyal a écrit :

soulst3al3r a écrit :
Sapphon is laying the hammer down...As a free player, i love this market because cards are cheaper even if some cards are missing from the market.
whatever.....if you are happy with it.
then let it be.
I just feel sad for those who want to buy some cards but can't find them on the marketplace.
If one day you cannot buy what you want, then don't blame to the marketplace.

lol I already told you that i still need art of trackings...I dont blame the marketplace. I blame the hoarders who think they can make money off of what they're doing.

Ikuyal · 07-06-2012 17:18:32

soulst3al3r a écrit :

Ikuyal a écrit :
soulst3al3r a écrit :
Sapphon is laying the hammer down...As a free player, i love this market because cards are cheaper even if some cards are missing from the market.
whatever.....if you are happy with it.
then let it be.
I just feel sad for those who want to buy some cards but can't find them on the marketplace.
If one day you cannot buy what you want, then don't blame to the marketplace.
lol I already told you that i still need art of trackings...I dont blame the marketplace. I blame the hoarders who think they can make money off of what they're doing.

they do make money with pleasure and you can wait for the next next crow until kotori is useless, and you might be able to buy a art of tracking.
just keep blaming for your whole life. ^.<
(if the market stay the same~

Ikuyal · 07-06-2012 17:32:02

soulst3al3r a écrit :

Ikuyal a écrit :
soulst3al3r a écrit :
dude ikuyal, stop raging. Sapphon made valid points and you need to address them in a more civilized, thought out way. Although i am still looking for those art of trackings, i can tell you that i like this market more than the last one.
I don't hate the market right now, actually.
You can buy cards that released a month ago with a very low price, and it could be even better if they are disappear from marketplace after 2 month and you can sell them to make you some profit.
What a lovely marketplace~
I just cannot bear people pretending blind that they cannot see the truth in front of them. and lie to others what ever they can.
this market is sick, if people cannot buy cards they want on the marketplace, or have to search for only a copy of them for weeks, then why do we need this marketplace?
price limit do only harm and is lack of efficiency.
I really hope the on in feerik who make rule about the marketplace read some more about the principle of Economic, or he would just keep harming us.

lol u saying that all cards should be available goes against the basic rule of supply and demand in economics...Stop saying economics this and economics that when you compeletely ignore the biggest part of economics.

oh you know much more than me, don't you?
than try to explain what is excess burden?
go back to study more is good for you. ^w^

NightmareJoke · 07-06-2012 17:39:32

Anyway, in the case of [card]the art of tracking[/card], there are a lot of factors that make it unavailable.
The first being that Feerik insists to create characters who have to fuse with key cards. There are no purpose to fuse cards in the game (except that it's easier to get a foil character) but making the players buy more booster pack (because it makes the card rare).

I'm not blaming Feerik for this, they have to earn money, but it creates this precise lack of key cards. However, asking for a double fusion with the same card is completely stupid. If the staff finds a solution for [card]the art of tracking[/card], I'll recommend they apply the same for [card]Back to the soil[/card] which is uncommon (while [card]the art of tracking[/card] is a common) because it will be the same thing (2 are needed to evolve Fe'y to Lv3)

EDIT : ikuyal, stop posting again and again please, it's annoying. There is an edit fonction. use it.

Dernière modification par NightmareJoke (07-06-2012 17:42:01)

soulst3al3r · 07-06-2012 17:46:01

Ikuyal a écrit :

soulst3al3r a écrit :
Ikuyal a écrit :
I don't hate the market right now, actually.
You can buy cards that released a month ago with a very low price, and it could be even better if they are disappear from marketplace after 2 month and you can sell them to make you some profit.
What a lovely marketplace~
I just cannot bear people pretending blind that they cannot see the truth in front of them. and lie to others what ever they can.
this market is sick, if people cannot buy cards they want on the marketplace, or have to search for only a copy of them for weeks, then why do we need this marketplace?
price limit do only harm and is lack of efficiency.
I really hope the on in feerik who make rule about the marketplace read some more about the principle of Economic, or he would just keep harming us.

lol u saying that all cards should be available goes against the basic rule of supply and demand in economics...Stop saying economics this and economics that when you compeletely ignore the biggest part of economics.
oh you know much more than me, don't you?
than try to explain what is excess burden?
go back to study more is good for you. ^w^

lol excess burden does nto apply at all here, yet you bring it up. Its embarassing really. Dont google stuff and not be able to explain it either

MrLordi92 · 07-06-2012 19:42:50

Oh, so here's the new Norad IV!

Great... We needed another one of him...

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