Eredan's World

jedc a écrit :

no one has anything else to say? i guess they only take player opinions into consideration on more trivial matters....

How can you say that after you recieved more than one detailed post regarding YOUR issue? Before you start whining about something, actually regard the situation at hand first and then comment on it.

because this is the discussion thread, and in a discussion you dont say one thing and then take your leave. its a back and forth kind of thing. whereas all I've heard for responses have been the equivalent of "its been this way since the begining, its fine, if you have a problem with it, thats not our fault, go do free offers".

you do realize how crap that is, don't you? before you say im whining, why dont you "regard the situation" and take a look back at my previous posts and we will go through your post and show just how much of mine you didn't read or seemingly ignored.

As for your problem, quite frankly, I doubt that many people (player base) really are as bothered by it as you, thus the low response count in this thread. I have seen some of the best players, I have  ever encountered in the game, rise from the 'depths' of free players to being able to compete with top end paying players.

first thing is, its a GAME. you should not have to play 30 games with a starter deck to get a single card.  how do you not get this? lets take one of my above points into consideration here and look at exactly how much it takes to make pretty much the cheapest deck in the game, trackers.

Malyss: 1,800
Tsuro: 2,800
Hime: 130

x1 a close shave: 100
x3 shuriken: 3,600
x3 katamaru: 780
x1 ambush: 789
x2 art of the iron fist: 3,000
x2 firon: 3,000
x1 guardian benediction: 230
x3 trackers emblem: 2,850
x2 tracker mask: 3,400

(also, this is assuming you take the zil deck and get assassination and smart ass for free, otherwise its another 72,000 or so added on to this)

that comes out to 22,479 crystal. now again, lets be extremely generous and say you win every single game. 22,479/40 is 562 games to get. for someone who says i should regard the situation at hand, i think ive done quite enough research into this. now once again, lets ask the question, who wants to go through 562 games to get one of the bottom line decks? never mind how many they are going to have to play to try and build their next deck, which will most likely cost 3-5x the tracker deck.

These players busted ass grinding cards (even back in the day when people weren't spoiled with 13 XP per char per win and Abomination took months to make) and did endless amounts of Feez offers to net enough cash to buy some boosters and also unlock marketplace rights for themselves.

You can get far in this game as a free player. If you aren't willing to work for it, then that is your problem. Not Feerik's, nor anybody else's.

steven_allen a écrit :

You could always just quit.  That would solve all out problems.

Quit what? Whining postings, that are long gone from the original post's purpose, or quit the entire game?

Shall I say that, equally, you have cards for free or for crystals, trophies (earning crystals, XP and cards) for free every week (on top of all the others), crystals for login in, crystal for winning?

yes, there are, and you need to win 30 games to get the cheapest card for sale (thats sold alongside the boosters) and many more to get a decent card sold in the market, nevermind those cards you need to even GET the trophy, making the net gain of crystals in the negative column. i believe i did out the math above proving it is rediculous amount of games to get a single card, and 20x that to get a decent deck.

lets go with one of the cheapest decks known to eredan, the tracker deck. that goes for about 20k. now lets be very generous and say this person wins every single game. thats 20,000/40. that is 500 games to get pretty much the cheapest deck on eredan, and lets be honest, trackers wont take you that far.

The game is free to play, unless you are within a very competitive view.

please be honest, if you want to win more then 10-15% of your games, you need to buy cards.

It is eventually possible to make a good deck keeping the game fully free, if you so wish; it just takes a bit more time.

its not the time, its just the sheer amount of games needed to get there.

Competition requires you to have the best cards: it just seems to me fair that those getting boosters get more chances at winning the weekly tournament, for example.

and i was one of them. but when my money ran out, so did any hope of any new deck. its also not like we are talking about anything that would cost eredan extra money, because the people who have the cards to sell in the market to begin with are the ones who are buying boosters. that was my point in mentioning all those things that cost feez to begin with

Rules have been setup from start with the marketplace: if you buy one or more boosters, you get a 3 weeks access to the marketplace. Getting more boosters at any one time gives you quite an edge during that time compared to other players. Adding another potent edge by enabling more than 3 weeks acces to the marketplace on top of that would be like saying we don't like players playing for free (we like you too, free players ).

You misunderstand me, i dont think the market place should have a cost in the first place. to be honest i think you would actually find yourself making more that way. both sides benefit, the free players can use it to upgrade those starter decks into something more formidable (as i did, turning my starter Zil deck into a Pack deck) and the people who buy boosters can sell the cards they dont need in search of the cards for that next deck they want to build.

you ask why i think this would actually increase profits? what do you think the impression of a new player coming on here getting 20-40 crystal a game, with his or her starter deck, getting maybe a 50-50 w/l rate, is going to think when they look at that market to see if they cant find a card to tweak that deck just a bit and see all those cards for 5,10,15, 20k? and then just watch as their face turns from anticipation of what could be a exciting new game for them, to complete uninterest.

now if they could use that market, they could sell a few cards they dont like, think dont work, or are just plain unneeded (and every starter deck has them) and buy those cards they were looking for. suddenly you find your player base growing.

And one last question about that. what is the cost to eredan for this? absolutely nothing. Just because something has been in place for a while doesn't make it right.

I must as well remind you that the market is an exchange tool for players: Feerik does not decide crystal prices on the market: prices are the sole responsability of players putting their cards for sale within the marketplace.

yes, but lets put it this way. when its those prices driving away new players, you are effectively cutting down your own player base. even older players are being driven away by this, this very topic is it's own proof. i had about 5k or so crystals, wanting to try my hand at a crow deck after reading a bit on the forums, so i go on and by a Tsume, bringing me down to about 100 crystals, so in an effort to get more i go and delete my Foam Giant deck (which i can guarantee you no free player has) to sell those cards, and to my surprise i find im blocked from selling cards. looking at my 100 remaining crystals and knowing from experience how little you get from playing games, i couldnt be bothered trying to save up for the rest of the cards i would need. now can you honestly give me a reason (besides 'these rules have been in place since the begining") that someone who has put in 200+ dollars into this game should be cut off from the one thing that actually makes this game playable? ( i know that sounds a little harsh, but its the honest truth, try building even the tracker deck just by saving up those 20-40 crystals a game and then come tell me im wrong. now do it with a starter deck). you cant say its because the game needs money to support itself, because ive put in over 200 dollars of support.

On the other hand, if you wish to suggest a pay to play option, please do make so, with a reliable business model that will get the other current players on the same happiness level as right now. I will be happy to pass it on to the team, as I pass on all good and relevant ideas to them.

I have already made a suggestion. if you disagree with my reasoning onwhy it shouldnt have a cost, then just a little bit further back we have another idea where i suggest, since pretty much the only people who have anything to sell on the market are those who buy booster packs, when a player has put in a certain amount they have "unlocked" (for lack of a better word) access to the market. when someone puts in several hundred dollars into a game, im pretty sure they are loyal active members who will most likely buy even more booster packs in the future. But the thing is, when you cut those players of like this, there is no "in the future" since its such a staggering task just to get a few new cards.

If the mechanics were that faulty, I believe noone would be posting here anymore, and this game would be shut down a long time ago. It's far from being the case, so I guess quite a lot of players are happy with the game being like a real tradinc card game in the way it works, and not a generic MMO with a monthly subscription.

LOL, thats like saying because people are still studying math it means we like it, otherwise it would be tossed out of the curriculum, and nobody would learn it anymore. yes, there are those that like it, but then again there are those who do it just because you have to, and then there are those who view it as little more then a chore. most people dont bother to say something about it and make some noise, because they either dont bother and just leave (more potential players lost) or they figure it wont matter because whats the opinion of one person matter against all the people in the company and whatnot that came up with the system in the first place? im neither of those, luckily, and when i see something like this, i will bring it up. now you say its far from a generic MMO with a monthly subscription, but what do you call having to pay every month to unlock what ive repeatedly proven to be the key to keeping this game playable? the cheapest amount is 10 dollars for 550 feez, making this game more expensive then runescape and slightly less then World of Warcraft. and thats only if you dont plan on getting any more packs, or else your looking at almost double the price of WoW. you know something is wrong when you can actually SAVE money by switching to WoW.

By the way, 42 boosters, opening one every 3 weeks would have granted you more than 2 years and a half of unlimited marketplace selling access: the game hasn't celebrated its 1st birthday yet.

Hope this cleared the problem

Regards,

Lonak

thank you, so basically if I don't want to upgrade something it's useless?

I agree with Fly off the Handle, but Tadaa over Dances?  Really?  That is 9+ hp or -5 attack.  Your silly Vas.  Sure there is a chance you might do no damage, but keeping Fen alive is much more important.

Also Blood ties is an awesome card if you draw it by turn 2 because it's raising your other characters low attack, don't get rid of it.

And I like I hate Kotoba because you can combo it off Fly off the Handle and Kotoba is really one of your biggest pains.

However you have too many weapons.  If you have 3 Bestial you don't need Perforator or Vamperic Dagger(You may think this will help keep Fen alive... but really not enough, maybe if you sub in an armor for him).

Cards to consider putting in:
1 Backstab - yes it's very situational, but some decks can get insanely high defense, like using Fallback.  If you only need to do a few points of damage this is basically a guaranteed finisher.

All is fair in Love...  + ...and War - yea, Pack is the best at using this for +6 damage

1 Treacherous - Another situational, but combos off Fly off the Handle.  Some times you might make it to the bottom of each others decks.  This card can take a "maybe victory if I hit harder" to a "victory because my opponent couldn't draw or use his finishing combo".

Tadaa your a Bunny and Fallback - I was arguing above against removing Dances, these are also good cards to keep Fen alive.