Yes, i get pissed, and i think that is op too, becuz its not like the other "ignorant cards"... The big problem, is that this card is on a Pack deck, and pack got a insane defense... You can only counter it, with a magic damage, or some special cards that down the defense to 0, but these cards are ignored, becuz it can only be played by non-warriors... And the most part of warriors, only do physical damage and guess what? They cant at least do a good damage without taking a 1KO...

Ah yea, and dont forget about it, it ignore a card, and GIVE A BONUS! Come on BONUS? Antineantism gives you -3 hp and this give a bonus? ow come on feerik...

The pack deck is OP, becuz it dont got Counter... Tell me, what's the counter to the pack? Mages? They use general fray... Mauraders? great defense. Warriors? great defense again... Well, look like fenraht is going to be banned for a long time, until feerik make a away to change general fray...

Dernière modification par Stormholt (23-06-2012 21:53:19)

Damncaster · 24-06-2012 00:07:38

Thaugh on that 2 but nerfs are only last resorts.
I´m running eclipse at elo, and other rooms and i seem to counter the pack nicelly but with some difficulties, it´s a very unfair card the General Fray, atleast they could just cut the defense bonus...

Stormholt · 24-06-2012 01:12:00

Damncaster a écrit :

Thaugh on that 2 but nerfs are only last resorts.
I´m running eclipse at elo, and other rooms and i seem to counter the pack nicelly but with some difficulties, it´s a very unfair card the General Fray, atleast they could just cut the defense bonus...

Well they need to cut something, or the Ignoring factor, or the bonus, the both togeder, are very unfair.... The real card should be like this:

[card]General Fray[/card]: Defense -2 Your other the pack characters recife -1 attack. If the oposite is not a warrior, his next card is ignored. 3 Turns.

OR

[card]General Fray[/card]: Defense +2 to 3, your other the pack characters refice atack +1. 3 Turns. AND ONLY THAT!

And yes, a nerf is the best sollution... Feerik can choose to wait 4 months of this card banned on ELO, and than thay will create counter cards, just like happened before... Look now, the cards are 2x stronger than 1 year ago, no one can even come close to 1700 ELO 2 times, becuz when a update comes, the new deck is so OP, and everyone want to buy it, your deck that used to reach 1700 ELO, now cant even get close to 1600... This is bad, but is too late... Feerik can cut the bad by the roots, and nerf the card fast, or wait the plant grow and f*** everything up.

Damn, sorry by my poetism xD

Dernière modification par Stormholt (24-06-2012 01:15:20)

Damncaster · 24-06-2012 01:18:12

Like 2 days ago i posted bout getting Ateb was possible or not and Sapphon said yes, i say NO, look at this weeks top elo, i´m at the fron page btw i hope i´m still there till tomorrow.
It took me more than 150 games to reach that position and i´m not even at 1850 elo, i looked at the first place he barely passed the 1900, and i looked to the 5th place, -.- holly jisas he played 240 games o.o, the game is so OP that everyone ends up with the best solutions, there´s no more variation, at least at the old days were elo was only zil, noz and kotoba it was more fun and we had more chances now there is too much power involved and their creating cards with insane effects.
I also added some posts to discuss, for example de double clay and they said i was only posting rage posts -.-, serious? they closed the post without anyone participating, how will u know how far my hate goes if u can´t let people share their opinion bout a subject first?

Dernière modification par Damncaster (24-06-2012 01:19:27)

kilcosu · 24-06-2012 04:53:13

not to mention if they don't use general fray then they are putting dark stone heart on their characters to take care of mages. my tempus got raped by the pack because of that one card

Stormholt · 24-06-2012 05:03:46

kilcosu a écrit :

not to mention if they don't use general fray then they are putting dark stone heart on their characters to take care of mages. my tempus got raped by the pack because of that one card

Well, so its now that you use a Slipping, or a Clumsiness...

Now I pour something serious happened to me tonight:

All this about general fray is no important anymore, i discover that all the top ELO people, and well these guilds and clans, are all fake, they are all combining fights... There's no fair play on ELO, there's only a "we will match that I won and you do not"... There's no strategy, there's only combination, mocking, falsehood... Fair players got no chance... This get me real mad, i really used to think that i could won someday... Sorry guys, but no, the dream is over.

And the one that know what am i talking about, know that when you combine fights to won a championship, that mean that you're not the best, you're just a fool, really shame on you guys, i am really dissapointed now

Dernière modification par Stormholt (24-06-2012 05:05:57)

iQuit · 24-06-2012 07:13:42

And i was thinking about returning to the game
well i'll check it back next year

Calandra · 24-06-2012 10:04:35

Damncaster a écrit :

Like 2 days ago i posted bout getting Ateb was possible or not and Sapphon said yes, i say NO, look at this weeks top elo, i´m at the fron page btw i hope i´m still there till tomorrow.
It took me more than 150 games to reach that position and i´m not even at 1850 elo, i looked at the first place he barely passed the 1900, and i looked to the 5th place, -.- holly jisas he played 240 games o.o, the game is so OP that everyone ends up with the best solutions, there´s no more variation, at least at the old days were elo was only zil, noz and kotoba it was more fun and we had more chances now there is too much power involved and their creating cards with insane effects.
I also added some posts to discuss, for example de double clay and they said i was only posting rage posts -.-, serious? they closed the post without anyone participating, how will u know how far my hate goes if u can´t let people share their opinion bout a subject first?

your thread about getting ateb is/was senseless because the simple answer is yes... what you wanted to know is whether the reward system for the elo trophies should be adjusted to the new elo changes or not... so if you post a question which you want to discuss you cannot(!!!) implement an answer which hold a huge package of rage inside... as i remember your post correctly you were asking and instantly answering with a huge "NO~"

- to answer that... yes it is possible to get the 2000 elo and still obtain ateb... even though the changed elo system doesnt allow that to happen that often like in the past

your post about double clay held the same raging spirit "kill double clay", "i dont need to explain why"... so i would advice you to calm down and not open a thread whenever someone showed you the better side of a strategy...
and a somewhat better way to really discuss a topic is to simply start it calm and present your thoughts and ideas why a certain thing should be changed or not...

- to answer that... double clay is easily removed or skipped by many if not all guilds and as sapphon stated in your threadattempt... mages are not as OP as you want to make them

furthermore i would also like you to understand that sometimes you have to accept that your idea is not the idea of the majority... accept that sometimes people think different and that you dont hold all the strategies against each and every combo... so if you ask reasonably how to beat double clay with this and that deck i will even guarantee that someone will give a reasonable answer which will satisfy you.

if you take this advice and formulate your threads and posts a bit more careful then i think no staff member would have any reason to stop your threads. like you did it in this one.

back to the pack and general fray

i dont think that general fray needs to be changed because its not a killing card... your char receives 2def and ignores the next card if that char is non-warrior... other pack members receive 1 att and it lasts 3 rounds...

if you run a warrior deck you wont have any probs at all... any other deck will not be turned off just because one card got ignored... also there are enough cards to remove things and i think there will be more of them to come...

a general hint to defeat the pack is to strike strong and fast and focus on one char instead of all of them at the same time... if you give them the 3-5 rounds to build up you have lost...

vampiricshaman · 24-06-2012 10:33:51

Calandra a écrit :

back to the pack and general fray
i dont think that general fray needs to be changed because its not a killing card... your char receives 2def and ignores the next card if that char is non-warrior... other pack members receive 1 att and it lasts 3 rounds...
if you run a warrior deck you wont have any probs at all... any other deck will not be turned off just because one card got ignored... also there are enough cards to remove things and i think there will be more of them to come...
a general hint to defeat the pack is to strike strong and fast and focus on one char instead of all of them at the same time... if you give them the 3-5 rounds to build up you have lost...

I disagree if they choose wild the first turn that is 2 lunation on the field usually which for turn 1 is a good enough boost to survive against most warriors and muruaders. mages and other cards that deal magic damage have a chance at ohko but may lose that chace if a nehant stone/dark stone heart or a general fray is played. if we can not ohko wild what chances do have at brutus or fernith(sp?) and if we cant kill them in in the first 3 turns the damage they deal at 4+ turns is pretty high

Calandra · 24-06-2012 10:56:20

ye but that is lunation not general fray... and if your enemy has the best hand he could possibly have then there is not much to do against that...

btw: with a warrior deck having no problems i mean decks that also or mainly focus on warriors... i have no problems with abo and shadow being countered and also dont have probs with my pirate warriors

the thing is... anticipate as much as you can... if the enemy starts and picks wild +a char of your group... you know it will become at least 1 lunation but think about a general fray and a lunation played in hand... i admit its a strong combo +6 def + 2 attack and first card countered if you are not warrior

BUT... you know it... safe your powder and prepare for the next turn... its a weak turn for the pack with only +2 def and +1 att (+whatever handcards are coming) so aim for the char with the lunation and go for your onehit chance if possible

vampiricshaman · 24-06-2012 11:15:53

I will give you that lunation is more of the problem but when discussing a card one must also discuss the cards that are around it so if one is to say general fray is op which i am not it is more to the point of deck construction

kilcosu · 24-06-2012 22:16:51

so pretty much what is being established is that the pack might be a good beat down deck (top ten elo) but is not the best beat down deck since it takes afew turns to setup and someone can just play with a different warrior based beat down deck and win.

BUHAWI_JACK · 25-06-2012 00:29:47

its because gen fray messes their strategies. and when their core cards got ignored they get annoyed, and when they are annoyed some guys will start a topic begging to nerf the card.

instead of whining, how about you all start to strengthen your decks, add some toolbox to counter what deck hangs around these days?? or accept the fact that some decks will always be better than you.

and yes the pack is my main deck since the faceless days.

Neja.Persot.Spy · 25-06-2012 00:54:37

BUHAWI_JACK a écrit :

its because gen fray messes their strategies. and when their core cards got ignored they get annoyed, and when they are annoyed some guys will start a topic begging to nerf the card.
instead of whining, how about you all start to strengthen your decks, add some toolbox to counter what deck hangs around these days?? or accept the fact that some decks will always be better than you.
and yes the pack is my main deck since the faceless days.

+1

Damncaster · 25-06-2012 01:30:55

BUHAWI_JACK a écrit :

its because gen fray messes their strategies. and when their core cards got ignored they get annoyed, and when they are annoyed some guys will start a topic begging to nerf the card.
instead of whining, how about you all start to strengthen your decks, add some toolbox to counter what deck hangs around these days?? or accept the fact that some decks will always be better than you.
and yes the pack is my main deck since the faceless days.

If u use it u have no point posting here, we ain´t annoying i also said at the beggining of teh post that it wans´t impossible to counter or i can´t counter. So if ***bip*** a general fray user just gtfo.

Wolvos · 25-06-2012 01:55:17

its an abusive counter, like luminosity, but at difference of this spell, fray gives bonus def and attack, AND there is a BIG difference between a mage that use a counter and deal no damage and dont have defense bonus AND this new counter

the only way that i counter this counter is the order of playing cards, im playing tempus at the moment

heres the deal:
my turn: i play dilemma + something else
enemy turn: something + dilemma

my turn: aging + something
enemy turn: something + celerity

care about stone!!!!!! the only problem is a double fray that instant kill my whole strategy

like i said before its a dumb counter of almost everything, its better than this [card]divergencia de opinion[/card] and that card it's unique

gives the chance of survive vs. marauder and mages but at what cost, im trying to say theres a big diference spamming obesity and spamming fray, fray gives you a 100% chance of cancel 1 card played

Dernière modification par Wolvos (25-06-2012 01:58:45)

iQuit · 25-06-2012 02:21:15

Let's just talk about how the card is stronger than the "standard"and the way you think it should be fixed

I'm sick of seeing some ppl say the card is OP , and the others tell them how to counter the card . Man , don't teach me how to counter it , the main point is how often it can be countered and the number of decks that could use the counter card
I'm sick of it

And btw , the game has changed , now you can get to 4+ defense and a lovely small bonus ( see : Fabulous Destiny, for example damn it , don't tell me it is only used by zil priest ) instead of a minus to your stat ( Fall back )

Dernière modification par iQuit (25-06-2012 03:42:45)

Stormholt · 25-06-2012 02:40:42

iQuit a écrit :

Let's just talk about how the card is stronger than the "standard"and the way you think it should be fixed

I'm sick of seeing some ppl say the card is OP , and the others tell them how to counter the card . Man , don't teach me how to counter it , the main point is how often it can be countered and the number of decks that could use the counter card
I'm sick of it

And btw , the game has changed , now you can get to 4+ defense and a lovely small bonus ( see : Fabulous Destiny, for example good damn it , don't tell me it is only used by zil priest ) instead of a minus to your stat ( Fall back )

Wow, +1 to all...

vampiricshaman · 25-06-2012 03:47:40

ok i guess i was a little arrogant in what i was saying but i still say general fray is very powerful for a card that ignores any card played by a non warrior

Neja.Persot.Spy · 25-06-2012 04:01:18

vampiricshaman a écrit :

ok i guess i was a little arrogant in what i was saying but i still say general fray is very powerful for a card that ignores any card played by a non warrior

somehow, yes..

BUHAWI_JACK · 25-06-2012 06:17:58

Damncaster a écrit :

BUHAWI_JACK a écrit :
its because gen fray messes their strategies. and when their core cards got ignored they get annoyed, and when they are annoyed some guys will start a topic begging to nerf the card.
instead of whining, how about you all start to strengthen your decks, add some toolbox to counter what deck hangs around these days?? or accept the fact that some decks will always be better than you.
and yes the pack is my main deck since the faceless days.
If u use it u have no point posting here, we ain´t annoying i also said at the beggining of teh post that it wans´t impossible to counter or i can´t counter. So if ***bip*** a general fray user just gtfo.

who's got more point of posting here? me that uses it and also able to encounter it when i use my mage deck or you that only encounters it?

you know, you dont just click on the cards and play them, you also anticipate what ***bip*** opponent will play.

we humans are the strongest in this planet because we have minds superior to any other species, pls use it to its full potential..its becoming stagnant to you.

and also u say fray is OP able to mess up your strategy,how about wild buds that ends your game? not to mention they're both in the same rarity and market price. maybe you'll cry a river.

vampiricshaman · 25-06-2012 06:28:29

your right you can give more insight on why it is not as powerful as i think and give possible counters all i have so far is obesity if i go first or clumsiness as my second if they go first

Dernière modification par vampiricshaman (25-06-2012 06:29:33)

Damncaster · 25-06-2012 12:11:01

BUHAWI_JACK a écrit :

Damncaster a écrit :
BUHAWI_JACK a écrit :
its because gen fray messes their strategies. and when their core cards got ignored they get annoyed, and when they are annoyed some guys will start a topic begging to nerf the card.
instead of whining, how about you all start to strengthen your decks, add some toolbox to counter what deck hangs around these days?? or accept the fact that some decks will always be better than you.
and yes the pack is my main deck since the faceless days.
If u use it u have no point posting here, we ain´t annoying i also said at the beggining of teh post that it wans´t impossible to counter or i can´t counter. So if ***bip*** a general fray user just gtfo.
who's got more point of posting here? me that uses it and also able to encounter it when i use my mage deck or you that only encounters it?
you know, you dont just click on the cards and play them, you also anticipate what ***bip*** opponent will play.
we humans are the strongest in this planet because we have minds superior to any other species, pls use it to its full potential..its becoming stagnant to you.
and also u say fray is OP able to mess up your strategy,how about wild buds that ends your game? not to mention they're both in the same rarity and market price. maybe you'll cry a river.

cut the joke and start using ***bip*** full potencial -.-, have u read it? I didn´t say it was OP, i didn´t say i couldn´t counter it, the post is all about how players see this card and how they counter it or possible changes if they see it "OP"

iQuit · 25-06-2012 13:26:47

BUHAWI_JACK a écrit :

and also u say fray is OP able to mess up your strategy,how about wild buds that ends your game? not to mention they're both in the same rarity and market price. maybe you'll cry a river.

[card]Wild Buds[/card] got adjusted lol

And for the ppl cannot understand why others complain about General Fray

- Take a look at [card]Obesity[/card] : it changes your def to 2 and ignore opp's card , the 2 defense only good if you are playing a deck with very low defense ( nomad for example ) . So if you are not playing a low defense deck , you actually have to pay a cost to counter opp's strategy. But you don't usually see any deck with 0-1 defense charaters not including the Nomad . So the card is 1 for 1 or 1 for 1 plus a minus to your defense .And it can only counter Action card

Now , head to [card]Luminosity[/card] , this guy is a 1 for 1 , the number of cards it can counter is higher than [card]Obesity[/card] but wait , your charater have to be non-multi class mage .

Go back to this bad boy , [card]General Fray[/card] , if your opponent is not a warrior , opp's next card is *kaboom* , its limit is very small , there are 6 classes in game ( unknown is rarely seen ) , there is only about 1/6 chance of [card]General Fray [/card] not ignore opp's card ( not including the multi-class system ) .
And the card doesn't give your charater any stat penalty , instead , it gives you defense and attack bonuses , so if you face a warrior charater , you still have a lovely small bonus that lasts for 3 turns

TL;DR : [card]General Fray[/card] is a win-win card which is not even fair when u compare it to other cards that have similar effects .

If i can fix it : Remove the Chain bonus

Dernière modification par iQuit (25-06-2012 13:47:16)

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