Eredan's World

Jonas Albrecht · 05-03-2012 08:05:16

Hi all,

This is something of an introductory post as well, being my first post in the forums.

Anyway, I'm returning to Eredan after a four month hiatus. At the time when I left, I was working towards completing a Sap Heart - Quick Draw deck. Chestnut was unavailable at the time, but it was still a descent deck, even with just two QDs. The only decks that gave it pause were Kotuba decks with that Ironfish dude, and Circus decks.

Fast forward to now, and I've completed my new QD deck, with the expected trio of Ydiane, Melissandre, and Chestnut. The deck is as follows:

Hit for Hit x 3
The Grand Hunt x 3
Asrow x 3
Distracted x 2
Hypnotic Melody x 3
Quick Draw x 3
Strength of the Sap Hearts x 1
Elfine Bow x 2

The Win/Loss rates for this week are as follows

The Pack Decks: (10/2)
Circus Decks: (5/5)
Ice Elf Decks (12/10)
Nomad Decks: (13/8)
Avalonian Decks: (15/2)
Items Have A Soul Decks: (0/7)
Quick Draw Decks: (5/1)
Unthemed Decks: (10/0)

So, like any premise-built deck, it overperforms against certain types, and underperforms certain types. My question is, is this rate of success good enough for the tournament scene? Is IHAS the only real Sap Heart contender these days?

[card]Mask of Quercus[/card]

[card]Butterfly Collar[/card]

[card]Brawl[/card]

Dernière modification par Jonas Albrecht (12-03-2012 09:20:26)

Stallion1990 · 05-03-2012 08:18:06

Add anathematize, and you will always beat IHAS, sometimes an obesity is nice too in case you need to block something while trying to get your anathematize. IHAS is joke, a deck that can be beat by one card is ridiculous.

Jonas Albrecht · 05-03-2012 08:53:21

Seeing as Obesity is Eredan's Counterspell, I really should find some space for it. Are there any other decks that [card]Anathmetize[/card] works against?

Stallion1990 · 05-03-2012 09:09:34

Anathematize works best against IHAS, but it works well against Weapons at Will decks. It works well against any deck that reuses cards from the discard pile, so a deck that relies upon A New Start or a Hungry Void combo will also be limited by a properly played Anathematize

Roarky · 05-03-2012 09:48:50

Why dont you bring [card]Precision Shot[/card] and some [card]Ivory Bow[/card]

Jonas Albrecht · 05-03-2012 10:08:36

Roarky a écrit :

Why dont you bring [card]Precision Shot[/card] and some [card]Ivory Bow[/card]

The more I play this deck, the more I feel like the Elfine Bow (and the Ivory Bow) are situational, which is why I only have the two. Both bows aren't really that great with Precision Shot, as the EB is going to scatter that damage around when I most likely need it to take down a single foe, and the IB reduces the bonus to just +2. Since the +4 doesn't stick around for the subsequent attacks, chaining Quick Draw is neutralized if the character keeps a defense of 3 or more. Most of the time, I would simply rather have a defense reducer.

As for the Ivory bow, it might make its way back into the deck, but I was frustrated with all the times Magic Posion just wasn't doing any damage. Sometimes it would apply itself at the end of a fight, sometimes it wouldn't. I couldn't find any character effects that were causing this, so I just took it out and chalked the whole thing up to glitchiness.

PatrikÅkervinda · 05-03-2012 16:26:04

Is Anathematize needed? Does anyone play IHAS? Weapons at will is played, and anathematize counter it. But how well does a quickdraw deck fare against WaW without anathematize? I don't think you need to play a card that really just counter one deck.

steeliebob · 05-03-2012 17:37:48

PatrikÅkervinda a écrit :

Is Anathematize needed? Does anyone play IHAS? Weapons at will is played, and anathematize counter it. But how well does a quickdraw deck fare against WaW without anathematize? I don't think you need to play a card that really just counter one deck.

anathematize is a good filler in almost any deck. it is not like it only works against IHAS, but also against Weapons at will decks, it will slow down any deck with ANS and might actually mean the win when they discard a lot of cards thinking they can get them back in the deck anyways.

Jonas Albrecht · 06-03-2012 04:21:22

I'll try switching out a Distracted for Anathematize (I really wish this game had even a three card sideboard).

Jonas Albrecht · 08-03-2012 06:09:58

Also, Precision Shot + Quick Draw vs. Hypnotic Melody + Quick Draw. Using Ydiane (because she's my favorite character) as an example, lets give her both an Elfine Bow and her order bonus. That puts her at 7/11. Lets also assume for the sake of clean math that she does max damage on the initial hit. The first number listed is Armor.

[card]Precision Shot[/card] + [card]Quick Draw[/card]

0 - (11 + 4) - 5 - 5 = -25

1 - (11 + 4) - 4 - 4 = -22

2 - (11 + 4) - 3 - 3 = -19

3 - (11 + 4) - 2 - 2 = -16

4 - (11 + 4) - 1 - 1 = -13

5 - (11 + 4) - 0 - 0 = -10

[card]Hypnotic Melody[/card] + [card]Quick Draw[/card]

0(0) - (11 - 2) - 5 - 5 = -19

0(1) - (11 - 2) - 5 - 5 = -19

0(2) - (11 - 2) - 5 - 5 = -19

0(3) - (11 - 2) - 5 - 5 = -19

1(4) - (11 - 2) - 4 - 4 = -16

2(5) - (11 - 2) - 3 - 3 = -13

PS is clearly superior when the opponent's armor is 0 to 1. Both perform at the same level when the armor is 2. At 3 to 6, HM is the winner.

Now, at armor 5, you're hopefully not chaining Quick Draw with PS, but it's there as an illustrative example. After 6, the advantage starts to swing back to PS, but you've lost your chain advantage. You can chain HM with PS for a nice net +5, which is making me reconsider putting a single copy in my deck. There's a long line of other cards ahead of it, however.

Also, for both poops and giggles, here's the best combo for Quick Draw.

[card]Hit for Hit[/card] + [card]Quick Draw[/card]

0 - (11 + 1) - 6 - 6 = -24

1 - (11 + 1) - 5 - 5 = -21

2 - (11 + 1) - 4 - 4 = -18

3 - (11 + 1) - 3 - 3 = -15

4 - (11 + 1) - 2 - 2 = -12

5 - (11 + 1) - 1 - 1 = -9

Available any time your opponent goes first, or you suspect some spell damage a coming. If you get hit twice, those numbers go up by 3.

Dernière modification par Jonas Albrecht (08-03-2012 10:33:06)

Jonas Albrecht · 10-03-2012 05:36:53

I've decided to swap out either Ydiane or Chestnut for Pilfress. I've got a Butterfly Collar (a second will be added when I have the crystals).

Now, since nearly over a quarter of my previous deck relies of the character being Elfine, I've decided to refine the deck. What goes good with Pilferess? I think cards that trigger her order bonus would be worth looking into, as well as some Defense boosters to keep her around. What Beast cards should I be looking at?

Roarky · 11-03-2012 19:28:32

Hmm... Normally people use Silikat, Pilferes and the last one depends on the playstyle, could be a hom'chai or Dais...
Cards like Hit for hit and Hibernation is good for keeping pilferes alive...
But there is one new counter to this deck which is Brawl (thanks to the new release)... ***bip*** Multi hit could be rendered useless for a price of 5 health...

Jonas Albrecht · 12-03-2012 09:32:54

Roarky a écrit :

Hmm... Normally people use Silikat, Pilferes and the last one depends on the playstyle, could be a hom'chai or Dais...
Cards like Hit for hit and Hibernation is good for keeping pilferes alive...
But there is one new counter to this deck which is Brawl (thanks to the new release)... ***bip*** Multi hit could be rendered useless for a price of 5 health...

I'm trying to steer more towards a QD/MR hybrid. I've faced the Silikat version, and while it the mechanics behind it are sound, I'm just too big a fan of what Melissandre can do with Pilf around, and trading another multi-attack for some minor Hom'Chai bonuses isn't something I've had a lot of success with. As for [card]Brawl[/card], I'm much more worried that my opponent is going to fill his deck with Defense boosters. There's nothing worse than staring down Defense 8, after your Distraction has triggered.

My only other concern is that I'm wasting Ydiane's status as a Guemelite by not adding spells.

Dernière modification par Jonas Albrecht (12-03-2012 09:33:50)

Roarky · 12-03-2012 10:47:26

Ow okay ^^, was giving some suggestions... U can use cards like The Grand Hunt or Wanted to reduce opponent defense...

Jonas Albrecht · 12-03-2012 10:55:59

Roarky a écrit :

Ow okay ^^, was giving some suggestions... U can use cards like The Grand Hunt or Wanted to reduce opponent defense...

I love The Grand Hunt + Hit for Hit. It's the other combo that really makes this deck work. I should take a look at [card]Wanted[/card].

Leorio · 12-03-2012 11:30:32

Quick Draw is currently tournament-banned. So...no.

Jonas Albrecht · 12-03-2012 11:32:01

Leorio a écrit :

Quick Draw is currently tournament-banned. So...no.

Yeah, Quick Draw is banned. I'm currently competing with my Quick Drawless Quick Draw Deck.

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Is the Quick Draw deck still tournament viable?

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