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Lemant · 27-12-2011 17:47:31

[card]Weapons at will[/card] appears to be fairly popular and in high demand to Kotoba high defense decks. When I read the card description, I did't really see any obvious advantage of using such card. Would someone please explain very carefully 'the basics' and the role it plays in high defense deck?

To me, it seems I would have to have at least one weapon in the discard pile before [card]Weapons at will[/card] becomes useful. Those who play the Kotoba trio (Iro, Asajiro, and Gakyusha) didn't spend a fortune on multiple cards of [card]Wakizashi[/card] and [card]The Emperor's Speech[/card] only to discard them. My guess is that they acquired them to be wielded if they were lucky enough to be drawn early on in the game. From that mindset, there wouldn't be any weapons in the discard pile to take advantage of unless ... the opponent plays something like [card]Items Have a Soul[/card].

In the meantime, those who use [card]Weapons at will[/card] will probably include lot of auxiliary weapon cards such as [card]Life Devourer[/card] to discard (or to wield if currently unarmed) to ensure that when he/she does use [card]Weapons at will[/card], there will be an ample supply of weapons in the discard pile for a very decent Attack bonus gain AND immediate activation of a discarded weapon.

So basically, those who play Weapons at will do so to:

1. Maintain high Attack & Defense if the characters are armed.

2. Play the card to immediately equip a discarded weapon to maintain the offensive.

Would my conclusion be correct? The card is ridiculously expensive to test my theory so all I can do is guess.

Coylise Myro · 01-01-2012 18:05:03

Actually, weapons at will (waw) most definitely makes people discard their weapons. When I still played it, I tended to discard all my devourers and speeches to power up waw for an early kill, if at all possible. The wakizashi can be used for standard equip as well, since it activates immediately, and allows for turn 1 kills (iro+waki+kensensei).

You gotta remember, weapons at will is insanely powerful with a lot of weapons in the graveyard. It's plenty powerful enough to make discarding a viable strategy. If you then combine it with watcher to get it back (and just as importantly, dodge obesity), you got yourself a nice combo going on that's just that bit more versatile than items have a soul (imo)

That's just my two cents though. There's probably people around who were more succesful with this sort of deck than I was

Lemant · 02-01-2012 19:23:56

Coylise Myro a écrit :

The wakizashi can be used for standard equip as well, since it activates immediately, and allows for turn 1 kills (iro+waki+kensensei).

I don't see how this is possible. [card]Iro the Duelist[/card] (Lv 4) can deal 9-11 dmg if Gakyusha is in the team and alive. If Iro plays [card]Wakizashi[/card] + [card]Kensensei[/card], that brings up the dmg range to 13-15, not quite enough to 1-shot majority of characters.

Coylise Myro a écrit :

You gotta remember, weapons at will is insanely powerful with a lot of weapons in the graveyard. It's plenty powerful enough to make discarding a viable strategy. If you then combine it with watcher to get it back (and just as importantly, dodge obesity), you got yourself a nice combo going on that's just that bit more versatile than items have a soul (imo)
That's just my two cents though. There's probably people around who were more succesful with this sort of deck than I was

Thank you for the input. Including [card]Watcher[/card] into such deck is a very good idea.

IsawaAgawa · 02-01-2012 19:42:27

I don't see how this is possible.

You're forgetting Asajiro's bonus and the fact Kensensei doubles every bonus (not only the weapon's).

spycee · 02-01-2012 20:12:05

Lol it's 19/21 with iro at his turn with gakyusha and asajiro.(scarg don't die )

Coylise Myro · 03-01-2012 05:10:17

Lemant a écrit :

Coylise Myro a écrit :
The wakizashi can be used for standard equip as well, since it activates immediately, and allows for turn 1 kills (iro+waki+kensensei).
I don't see how this is possible. [card]Iro the Duelist[/card] (Lv 4) can deal 9-11 dmg if Gakyusha is in the team and alive. If Iro plays [card]Wakizashi[/card] + [card]Kensensei[/card], that brings up the dmg range to 13-15, not quite enough to 1-shot majority of characters.

alright then, calculation time.

Iro has a base attack of 7/9. Coupled with asajiro and gakyusha gives him +2 attack from their bonuses, as well as +1 from his own bonus if gakyusha is there. This makes a base attack bonus of +3, putting him at 10/12.

Iro also has his order bonus turn 1, which gets him another +1 attack. Wakizashi gets him +2 more, making +6, putting him at 13/15.

If you then play kensensei, it will double his +6 into +12, giving him a solid 19/21, which is enough to one-shot just about anything.

MrLordi92 · 03-01-2012 05:37:22

genesyx a écrit :

yes i was thinking about sticking him with the temple guardians actually, would that work?
Their forced march with keep the damage by Sol'Ra low,especially if sakina is in,
This is what I have in mind ATM:
[card]Sakina, Priest of Naptys[/card]
[card]Shrikan[/card]
[card]Sol'ra Avatar[/card]
3x Forced march
3x litany
2x supplication
1x Solar Pastron
3x Sacred Nova
8x ???
Advice needed pls.

http://forum.eredan.com/viewtopic.php?id=33499

Here ya go.

genesyx · 03-01-2012 05:39:15

MrLordi92 a écrit :

genesyx a écrit :
yes i was thinking about sticking him with the temple guardians actually, would that work?
Their forced march with keep the damage by Sol'Ra low,especially if sakina is in,
This is what I have in mind ATM:
[card]Sakina, Priest of Naptys[/card]
[card]Shrikan[/card]
[card]Sol'ra Avatar[/card]
3x Forced march
3x litany
2x supplication
1x Solar Pastron
3x Sacred Nova
8x ???
Advice needed pls.
http://forum.eredan.com/viewtopic.php?id=33499
Here ya go.

sorry,wrong thread ^^''
deleted the post

Lemant · 04-01-2012 04:35:45

Coylise Myro a écrit :

alright then, calculation time.
Iro has a base attack of 7/9. Coupled with asajiro and gakyusha gives him +2 attack from their bonuses, as well as +1 from his own bonus if gakyusha is there. This makes a base attack bonus of +3, putting him at 10/12.
Iro also has his order bonus turn 1, which gets him another +1 attack. Wakizashi gets him +2 more, making +6, putting him at 13/15.
If you then play kensensei, it will double his +6 into +12, giving him a solid 19/21, which is enough to one-shot just about anything.

Oh, I see now. Thanks for the explanation.

Talamare · 04-01-2012 07:24:16

You guys went off topic

Weapons at Will has nothing to do with Iro 1 shotting turn 1

DaRkStAr666 · 04-01-2012 12:05:00

http://forum.eredan.com/viewtopic.php?id=24382

Lemant · 04-01-2012 19:03:59

DaRkStAr666 a écrit :

http://forum.eredan.com/viewtopic.php?id=24382

Eh....the referenced thread doesn't have much in the way of addressing the concerns/questions in my original post. Although there IS a video on 'how to play' the sample deck, it was very difficult for me to recognize which/what cards were being played and everything was happening too fast for me (and probably most other newbies) to comprehend what was really happening.

Anyway, Coylise Myro and IsawaAgawa answered my questions so I consider this thread now closed, more or less.

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