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catcatcat · 14-11-2011 03:55:55

An emerging pattern as of late is the incredible rise in price of certain cards for no explanation other than market manipulation. There are several examples. Kounok the Prophet is now prices at 20k for level 1. A week ago it was 8k. Blade of the Witch is 13k, was 5k or so a week ago. People have caught on to how the new system works and it's manipulated worse than the previous system. There are tons of examples so no need to list anymore.

How are they doing this? Well it's quite simple. They just buy out all the level 1 card versions of a character and price them more expensive than the higher level versions of the card (meaning they would put a 20k as the price for a level 1 character while level 3 only costs 10k, for example). People will buy out the higher level cards because they're cheaper until they're all gone. As a result, the high price placed on the level 1 card because the minimum and the higher level cards are priced accordingly. It's getting out of hand

MrLordi92 · 14-11-2011 04:44:46

I thought you could only own a maximum of 10 of each card. Unless I read that wrong. If so, it'd be pretty hard to buy out all of the Lvl 1 cards.

goscar · 14-11-2011 06:19:45

No the market has always been like that. You just probably want a card really badly.

jackal19 · 14-11-2011 09:49:27

the only problem im seeing now in this market is hoarding for example stealing the spot light

TPPK · 14-11-2011 10:26:59

I second that some of the more rare cards are getting hoarded but it doesn't always benefits the hoarder since prices will drop again after a month. (sudden price flotations of 40k aren't rare)

jackal19 · 14-11-2011 10:29:09

TPPK a écrit :

I second that some of the more rare cards are getting hoarded but it doesn't always benefits the hoarder since prices will drop again after a month. (sudden price flotations of 40k aren't rare)

post one at a time tell me it doesnt benefit em because somone buys it so it doesnt drop

Dernière modification par jackal19 (14-11-2011 10:29:36)

TPPK · 14-11-2011 10:47:35

because those cards already cost around 70~100k crystals and the amount of people with vast amounts of crystals that are complete asshats is hopefully very low.

Lyquid · 14-11-2011 16:16:27

Solaris is crazy back up to 80K+ in the Market. How'd this reach this high? Max price for this before was 50K. Hoarding.

Limestone · 14-11-2011 16:21:45

[card]Sacred avalonian blade[/card] also had a swollen price

catcatcat · 14-11-2011 16:22:17

Hoarding, monopolizing whatever you want to call it it is occurring and not just on rare cards either. Rockspeaker for example

Zurga · 14-11-2011 16:33:13

Just remember that most people buy new comers boosters.

If the card if older than that, it can be possible that there is few cards of this kind.

Solaris is THE card for this week in ELO. No surprise that the price is high, especially if there is very limited number of card in sale.

goscar · 14-11-2011 16:58:44

The market was always like this, is going to be like this and will stay like this, unless Feerik does something meaningful.

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Zurga · 14-11-2011 17:29:04

What is your suggestion about "something meaningful"?

goscar · 14-11-2011 18:47:38

Well I would like a price range for rarity.
Commons:100-1500
Uncommons:100-20,000
Rares: 2000-50,000

Legendaries/Collector cards: 100-1,000,000

MrLordi92 · 14-11-2011 18:51:24

Or take out maximum prices. Does it make sense that Azaram costs about 5K at lvl 2 when it takes a 10K+ sword to get him there?

Anihilate · 15-11-2011 02:03:17

The new market would have worked if people didn't QQ their asses off at 30%Tax, just sayin, people wouldn't have enough to hoard, and cards not selling at ridiculous prices would drive the costs down.

@Goscar: Price range for rarity would fail, simply because if EVERYONE was able to buy a card in short supply, we'd just be letting cards get siphoned into dead accounts. Also, the last time I saw a 20k RoD was a year and a half ago. A 50 k assassination? They were always at 44k+ at HIGH stock lol

@Zurga: Thank you for expressing the two underlying problems.

A)Solaris is what? Act 2? It's hitting the landmark high that Assassination is stuck at, and with low stock as well. Players are only buying Newcomers boosters for the most part, so older cards are going to be RARE, unless you're me and spend your gaming budget on act 1+2 boosters.

B) It is a KEY CARD in all HIGH TIER nomad decks except for Sol'Ra Avatar.

Problem A is a little broader, as older cards are being seldom bought, the cards in them seldom spawn. Since the stock is already low, it gets sucked up by hoarders, who proceed to be greedy and not sell any of their copies, thus limiting overall distribution.

It is to say, once you own 3 Assassination and 3 RoD, you're not selling them. And now, since Act 1 is completely separate from other boosters, Assassinations coming into existence are infrequent due to sales.

Problem B is common for any meta

@McLordi:
If you take out Maximum prices, you kill the only thing stopping players from infinitely and insanely overcharging for cards.

Dernière modification par Anihilate (15-11-2011 02:12:04)

Dracatis · 15-11-2011 03:21:36

Yes, Anihilate is right, the lack of strong tax is the reason they can manipulate period. The player base fought hard to make sure the rich can keep control of the market with their multiple accounts.

But really you just need to follow the ebb and flow. Personally I dislike the "Sell your deck and buy a new one" mentality and just collect so I'm ready for any trophy or event. Just look for what isn't popular right now, know that they will probably have a new release making them rediculous too soon and buy what you need for it ahead of the rush.

Or don't and keep complaining on here that the market isn't working cause one of the most powerful/popular cards in the game currently is really expensive. Suck it up and save for it or find something else to go after.

Suggestions to make the market better:
Remove the need to buy packs in order to put cards on the market. Set it to one card per day if you have to(for non-pack buyers). Right now everyone can buy and no one can readily sell.

Change the max price to be +10% the average of the last 5 sales on the market in 72 hours. If there isn't 5 sales knock 10% off the max price every 24 hours(That sounds more then it is, it's not going to be min in 10 days because it's 10% of what it is CURRENTLY). I'm not sure how this currently works but it sounds from what I read as long as there is one sale in 24 hours the max price goes up. Set the min value of the mix price to be 50% more then what selling it back to the game would be.

Edit: Also I noted that the current min can go below the "sell back" price. This probably is and will cause an issue with "commons" not ever being on the market. This needs to be raised to a little above that "sell back" price.

Dernière modification par Dracatis (19-11-2011 02:06:12)

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