I dont have a ton of experience with multi race sap heart, but it seems that Hailwalker (Mage/warrior) is usually treated just like Keizan (Warrior), you can chain brother in arms and living nature....just doesnt do as much damage as Keizan because of the lack of race. You could add a root or two to capitalize on Hailwalker, but I would only if youre missing cards.

I dont know who your other 2 characters are, but I have seen both Melisandre, Rarganor, Hailwalker (M/W) and Melisandre, Rarganor, and Rockspeaker work very well.

MrLordi92 · 08-11-2011 18:46:45

The Claw is good, too. Try The Claw, Hailwalker, and Melliasandre

Nightmare · 08-11-2011 19:07:39

sorry i didnt post them first place yes i use claw and melisandre im just w8ting smth to sell so i can afford hailwalker i have all the core cards collars daggers brothers in arms etc except quick draw so ill wait till i can afford hailwalker except root and living nature are there any spells worth using or should i stick with only these 2

Stallion1990 · 08-11-2011 19:35:29

I thought collars were used more in Sap decks based off of Silikat

Baliking · 08-11-2011 19:38:23

in normal room i play with Ragnor/Mellisandre/Keizan (M/W) and its totaly cool:D ok i dont play at ELO and i dont have Quick draw but i still love this combination..I thinked abaout The Claw/Melis/Keizan too with 3 collar but dunno maybe its not that good huw its sound cause The Claw is weak by himself and if you dont get collar at the first 3 turn its sux

Dracatis · 08-11-2011 23:00:04

Mage/W Hailwalker is obviously useful for Root, this disables a lot of powerful combinations, especially if they have a chain ability or you know they depend on a certian two card combo and they haven't gone yet. His Living Nature does the same damage as Warrior Keisen because he has +1 spririt, he just doesn't get the +2 defense. His attack is just as good as long as he uses a Nature Spell and he even gets the bonus from Archnophobia because he actually is a Mage. Also most Mutlirace decks are warrior based, so he tends to fit the profile better. I prefer him, Silikat and Rockspeaker, but that is my personal team.

Eikytian is kinda underwhelming to me, but obviously he is best at spells that require spirit such as Rain of Death and Living Nature. He doesn't get that extra attack but he chains spells. One Archnophobia isn't very useful with him unless he combos it with a defensive spell(or else he can't attack). Pretty much you'd use him if you want to play "Keeping up with the Nozs" (and you'll probably lose). I'd use him with Mage Keizen and some other World Tree else rather then a multi-race deck.

I think Hailwalker is deeply underrated and a good suprise pain in the butt. I use him when Keizen is banned with little to no ill effect in ELO. For Multirace, he's easily who I'd go with.

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Baliking · 09-11-2011 00:43:55

well with Silikat its more defensive type the Melissandre/ragnor duo is for kill in the first 3 rounds..you cant do that with rockspeaker or silikat.Ragnor is a killer at round1 with brother in arms+some attack skill like Offensive or Best defense(thats from my kotoba but stil its work good ).Oh and 1 more thing maybe i misunderstand but when i tryed Hailwalker he never attached the root to any opposite character any suggestion why? bug or i just dont know something?

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Dracatis · 09-11-2011 03:55:44

I don't like speed kill decks, for a tiny cost of speed I can easily take a lot more decks that negate speed kill decks. Silikat can chain Tribal Mask and Rockspeaker can chain it after a spell and Hailwalker Roots someone. I've been busy leveling stuff so I haven't used Hailwalker in a bit, but it did work not long ago.

And if you don't think Silikat can kill fast try Silikat with Claw and Rargnor/Elder, Quick Draw, Butterfly Collar, Brother in Arms, Melody... ext. It takes quite a deck to survive past turn 5 against it. Silikat with a beast, ups their attack +1 so most any of your characters can kill against all but the most defensive decks.

TheUnsane · 09-11-2011 04:18:36

bearcupine!

MrLordi92 · 09-11-2011 04:48:29

TheUnsane a écrit :

bearcupine!

TheUnsane · 09-11-2011 06:24:30

Bearcupine is the bomb!

jackal19 · 09-11-2011 10:13:03

TheUnsane a écrit :

Bearcupine is the bomb!

in the dying division i really wish sap has a beast mage now

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Erezil · 09-11-2011 14:58:58

Rargnor, Keizan (warrior), and The Sachem make a good multirace deck also.

Erezil · 09-11-2011 15:03:08

jackal19 a écrit :

TheUnsane a écrit :
Bearcupine is the bomb!
in the dying division i really wish sap has a beast mage now

I'd like to see a beast mage as well. The Sachem, Rockspeaker, and the bheast mage would be an interesting multirace mage deck.

Baliking · 09-11-2011 18:44:05

I better like to see a good Beast Warrior or Warrior/mage with some extra stat like ragnor got or like Meliisandre skill Oh and 1 more thing when i face against TheClaw sap multi race opponets 80-90% of the time i kill TheClaw at the first 3 turn depend on which turn he comes in..mostly in round 2 so butterfly get waist its because mostly they play spear or collar and my characters kill those opponets easaly who dont use some def card exept kotobas they got too high def for melis and ragnor

Dracatis · 09-11-2011 20:05:26

Don't dis Bearcupine, he is quite feasible in a heavy defense deck, in fact having him in is the best time to use Butterfly Collar and Technique of the Cactus, because he's a Beast that doesn't die easy. Throw in Silikat and Red Mask/Rockspeaker and you can tank yourself into doing a ton of damage each round near effortlessly. This is really the only deck I've found Mekarmor actually pretty useful for.

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Nightmare · 09-11-2011 23:37:37

Well i tried melisandre claw and hailwalker and it didnt go so well butterfly collars are slow as hell and claw doesnt have enough chain. So i sold melisandre and got rockspeaker silicat and some magic poison (i cant afford arachnophobia) what other spell cards are good to use in my new setup ?? Is rockspeaker good without aracnophobia or shall i consider ragnor ? I encountered a multi sap deck with ydiane eikytian and ragnor that stomped me and i liked it what are the thoughts on this ? thx for all the answers!!!

MrLordi92 · 10-11-2011 00:29:30

Nightmare a écrit :

Well i tried melisandre claw and hailwalker and it didnt go so well butterfly collars are slow as hell and claw doesnt have enough chain. So i sold melisandre and got rockspeaker silicat and some magic poison (i cant afford arachnophobia) what other spell cards are good to use in my new setup ?? Is rockspeaker good without aracnophobia or shall i consider ragnor ? I encountered a multi sap deck with ydiane eikytian and ragnor that stomped me and i liked it what are the thoughts on this ? thx for all the answers!!!

No, Rockspeaker's not really good to begin with, IMHO. Arachnophobia helps, though. Ragnor is a beast with damage. Maybe try an IHaS deck?

Dracatis · 10-11-2011 02:18:14

Tribal Mask, Invisibility(great at keeping them alive against physical attackers until their equiped and doesn't effect your multiple attacks), Magic Poison, Mirage, Freeze, Devouring Swarm

All good cards for Rockspeaker to keep him and his companions alive until their pumped up a bit.

But it sounds like you just want a rush deck like everyone else. Save up and get Quick Draws. And when you lose to me, try not to cry too hard.

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Baliking · 13-11-2011 18:35:05

Dracatis a écrit :

Don't dis Bearcupine, he is quite feasible in a heavy defense deck, in fact having him in is the best time to use Butterfly Collar and Technique of the Cactus, because he's a Beast that doesn't die easy. Throw in Silikat and Red Mask/Rockspeaker and you can tank yourself into doing a ton of damage each round near effortlessly. This is really the only deck I've found Mekarmor actually pretty useful for.

Hm maybe you looks something wrong..Bearcupina dosen't die easy? cmon..:D he got 0 spirit and 13 hp with 2 def..almost evry good deck can 1 shoot him especially mages..Claw is much stronger than him but stil he is not that good too..

MrLordi92 · 13-11-2011 21:12:21

Baliking a écrit :

Dracatis a écrit :
Don't dis Bearcupine, he is quite feasible in a heavy defense deck, in fact having him in is the best time to use Butterfly Collar and Technique of the Cactus, because he's a Beast that doesn't die easy. Throw in Silikat and Red Mask/Rockspeaker and you can tank yourself into doing a ton of damage each round near effortlessly. This is really the only deck I've found Mekarmor actually pretty useful for.
Hm maybe you looks something wrong..Bearcupina dosen't die easy? cmon..:D he got 0 spirit and 13 hp with 2 def..almost evry good deck can 1 shoot him especially mages..Claw is much stronger than him but stil he is not that good too..

The Claw not that good? Have you ever given him a Quick Draw? Min Attack 7 with a second attack is pretty alright in my book.

Baliking · 13-11-2011 22:15:07

MrLordi92 a écrit :

Baliking a écrit :
Dracatis a écrit :
Don't dis Bearcupine, he is quite feasible in a heavy defense deck, in fact having him in is the best time to use Butterfly Collar and Technique of the Cactus, because he's a Beast that doesn't die easy. Throw in Silikat and Red Mask/Rockspeaker and you can tank yourself into doing a ton of damage each round near effortlessly. This is really the only deck I've found Mekarmor actually pretty useful for.
Hm maybe you looks something wrong..Bearcupina dosen't die easy? cmon..:D he got 0 spirit and 13 hp with 2 def..almost evry good deck can 1 shoot him especially mages..Claw is much stronger than him but stil he is not that good too..
The Claw not that good? Have you ever given him a Quick Draw? Min Attack 7 with a second attack is pretty alright in my book.

So whats with that 7 min attack?Claw is a beast he cant chain it with melody so its go nothing mostly because lot of character got 3 def plus def cards so that 7 min attack go nothing and you waisted a qucik draw from Melissandre or Silikat.And if you dont read my previous cmment i said there i dont have quick draw so i never gave to any of them but still i win in 3 round lots of time if i got unluck and something go wrong max 5 turn so i dont think thats too bad

<(^.^<) · 13-11-2011 23:03:01

Got to 1900 this week with a Claw/Rargnor/Silikat deck. You can pretty much beat every deck, having some trouble with Kotoba and Noz Blast. It also has an edge on Avatar but that matchup is solely based on luck.

artemis_fowl · 14-11-2011 02:03:53

<(^.^<) a écrit :

Got to 1900 this week with a Claw/Rargnor/Silikat deck. You can pretty much beat every deck, having some trouble with Kotoba and Noz Blast. It also has an edge on Avatar but that matchup is solely based on luck.

so what do you use? i sense you're running Quickdraws, collars and maybe IHAS?
i'm having problems against mages, immortals, nehant corruptors with my multi-race deck in ELO. XD

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