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TimeWasted · 28-10-2011 18:37:19

This is somewhat long-winded, I appreciate those of you who take the time to read this.

I'm relatively new to this game, just started about 6-7 days ago. I'm a free player, so my understanding of many of the strategies and game mechanics is pretty minimal as my access to more than one deck is virtually non-existent for the time being. I'm currently using a kotoba weaps at will deck in the amnezy tourney, and seem to be doing ok, as my elo is going up.

The problem I'd like to address here, is as follows. I was playing against a nomad theurgy deck, and winning by all means. My opponent had one char left with no buffs/equips to my two equipped warriors. He was spam healing, but dealing little to no damage to my chars, while his heals were enough to drag out the match, but not keep him alive. I had five cards in hand, and zero remaining in my deck while his character was at about five hp. I did not use a card, as I didn't want to hand over the win via lack of cards to draw, and got him down to one hp when that turn was said and done.

To my surprise, I lost immediately thereafter due to a lack of cards to draw while I had a full hand... I asked a couple people about this to find that you can not go more than two rounds with an empty deck regardless of needing more cards or not. If the latter is true I'd like to ask the following. First, why do healing strategies, along with strategies employed by Ishea users and the like exist with such limitations on the game. I successfully played out my deck's strategy without needing to draw beyond my twenty card limit and should have been allowed to beat him senseless with my weapon and armor bearing warriors (is this not what the kotoba warriors are intended to do?). My second question would be, why is this fair?

I'd also like to note the fact that this and other decks that fall under the "drag it out as long as possible" category have access to card(s) that recycle their discard piles, one such card was employed in said game. This only goes to show that they can not only extend a game to seemingly endless lengths with their standard 20 card deck, but reduce the odds of them running out of cards by a ridiculous percentage I'm not going to attempt to calculate, and further drag out the game employing the same strategy a second time.

Lastly, I don't much care about this loss in particular, I've simply referenced it several times to form a better understanding of the issue at hand. Also, if this loss occurred due to a glitch or bug, please inform me as I'd be overjoyed.

Thanks!

TimeWasted · 28-10-2011 18:39:10

Also... don't get me started on discard decks. I won't throw out any insults, as much as I'd love to.

Paladino.:RR:. · 28-10-2011 18:53:28

Don't know who told you that you would lose due to having no card in your deck, but unless there has been a patch I haven't seen , you still only lose if you try to draw and there is no cards on the deck.

So my point is you probally lose by another reason, did he used a card like Prestige, and doign so removed on card from your hand? Or if it was a Zil cleric, used the theurgie that removes one card from your hand (Blackmail I think, not sure how is called in english)? Or was using Whip, who random remove a card from your hand?

Just so you understand you dont lose for not having no card in your deck, but if u try to draw from the deck when there is no cards in the deck.

Never saw someone complaning about such thing before, as your a new player, I find plausible that you might have not noticed the effect from something he played?

Dernière modification par Paladino.:RR:. (28-10-2011 18:54:16)

Rathedan · 28-10-2011 18:55:21

First part: You can stall at 5 in your hand and 0 in your deck forever (unless they stealth changed that and I never noticed). Most stall/discards will force you to drop to 4 by some means (mental siphon, etc) to avoid this.

Second: Discard and Stall decks are a valid strategy. It's part of the meta game. Either you understand and adapt to the game as a whole, or you will continue to lose to players adopting these strats. The card game ins't one dimensional, and neither can be any deck if its meant to win. Learn to minimize the chance they can recycle (anathemetize is a common usage), find ways to limit their ability to heal. Add recycling yourself...(moneyed, watcher, etc)

TimeWasted · 28-10-2011 19:03:04

Thank you for the informal responses. This was more a hypothetical (uninformed) complaint than formal, as two of my three questions were circumstantial, referring to the full handed zero deck loss being the case. The other was whether or not this was the case.

No card was used to remove cards from my hand, there was only a heal spell that had been used multiple times throughout the game without having such effects. Unfortunately I cannot recall the exact description of the card. I messaged my opponent shortly after the game asking how I lost with a full hand, and he could offer no explanation either.

Regardless, the fact that a five card hand can stall endlessly makes me a very happy camper. Thank you both.

Paladino.:RR:. · 28-10-2011 19:17:48

Do you remember if he was a Zil cléric? If so I still put my coins in a Whip..

Beside, any chance that you somehow started the turn with 4 cards and ended with 5 in your hand due to some card had return from the game effect? Because if it was so you would still lose the game, beause there was an attempt to draw..

Well, those are the possibilities of what could have happened..

Thats why one of my resquest for Feerik, is a Battle Log..

Zurga · 28-10-2011 19:25:24

You loose when you should draw and you can not.

Do not forget some of the effect of items you could have like [card]emerald sword[/card].
If you equip this sword and deals more damages than your opponent you must draw a card, even you have 5 in hand.
If you fail to draw the card, you loose at the end of the turn.

Dernière modification par Zurga (28-10-2011 19:26:01)

Paladino.:RR:. · 28-10-2011 19:27:26

Well, Zurga has a nice explanation, and emerald sword is a general card in starters Kotoba at will decks..

Zurga · 28-10-2011 19:32:41

I have the most used explanation for Kotobas beginning deck with little knowledge of the game
If you know the number of time this was the correct explanation....
A lot of people just forget that the sword makes drawing cards.

TimeWasted · 28-10-2011 19:57:07

He was nomad, not zil.

Zurga... I did have an emerald sword equipped, thank you

Idk how I didn't notice lol

Dernière modification par TimeWasted (28-10-2011 19:57:45)

Zurga · 28-10-2011 20:23:34

You're welcome

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