Eredan's World

Derguin-Gorion · 17-10-2011 23:58:30

Good fellow, in view of the problems of this ongoing 30% reduction of crystals, I propose that we join,

I appeal to Hispanic Clans especially since there is more communication and unity among members, and all users of the forum in general.

The strategy for change in the market, is undoubtedly the spearhead for this game turn into something totally elitist, as already mentioned, this reduction requires us to spend even more, as you want to go changing a deck in the game .....

Does it reduce the prices of some cards?

By God, now more than ever, all players try to sell their cards to a higher price, because 30% is the market that reduces your total capital of crystals with each sale.

Delete once and for all the multiaccounting?

In other games have already been implemented measures, mainly through IP tracking to prevent this, this 30% is something that hurts the overall game population, rather than scare away multiaccounts, the faithful are buyers ahuyyentando and regular players.

And instead of giving free expression to this, the staff, only dedicated to censor, ban, and delete the post ....Who the heck believe us? We ourselves are the forum, each and every one of us.

I propose a massive strike of "0 Boosters" until things change.
This means that no one buys Feez, until the market has returned to what it was, or at least remove that ridiculous 30% commission.

I know not fail to erase my post, or closed, in which case it will continue to be banearme setting, not only in this forum, but I will try to translate it and paste in all forums of the game, is that users think forum we are only a "minority" but let's see what you can do this "minority" remain united.

Anihilate · 18-10-2011 00:45:06

I like the new system, and I've been in this game since 5 months after it's release.

I don't know if they explained it right to all of you, but, it will force card prices to drop in tune with how much the card sells.

If a card doesn't sell, it's price racket drops.
so on and so forth until it hits the minimum price established for it's rarity.

I'd friggin love to see fireball and RoD back at 7k and 16 k respectively, because when I started, that's how much they bloody costed.

jackal19 · 18-10-2011 01:04:13

Anihilate a écrit :

I like the new system, and I've been in this game since 5 months after it's release.
I don't know if they explained it right to all of you, but, it will force card prices to drop in tune with how much the card sells.
If a card doesn't sell, it's price racket drops.
so on and so forth until it hits the minimum price established for it's rarity.
I'd friggin love to see fireball and RoD back at 7k and 16 k respectively, because when I started, that's how much they bloody costed.

+1 to the new system except tax

bigotilyo · 18-10-2011 01:17:10

BooooooH for tax 30% is too much for one to make a decent profit.
Hope they reduce the tax.

Its gonna be hard for sellers but advantageous to buyers.

Anihilate · 18-10-2011 01:19:09

The only reason the new system will work is because of the tax.
People will want to sell high, gain high.
They'll sell high, gain nothing.
Prices have to drop.

Everything will spread out easier as time goes on, that's the way it is meant to be.

If you buy something huge, in say, 2004, and hold onto it until now,2011, it will drop in value to the general public.

Hence why it's possible to buy older Mercedes Benz cars for 25-30k instead of their original 100k+

When you go to trade in used games at gamestop, or any game store, do you ever get back the $60, or anywhere near it, when you sell them?

The market has always been in the merchant's favor, giving more power to the buyers was inevitable, its equal footing. No one buys, sales drop. No one sells, they can't buy, so they sell for less. Taking a large cut stops level 7 paying players from having end-game decks.

Dernière modification par Anihilate (18-10-2011 01:24:38)

tsuke1 · 18-10-2011 02:47:13

Anihilate a écrit :

The only reason the new system will work is because of the tax.
People will want to sell high, gain high.
They'll sell high, gain nothing.
Prices have to drop.

I honestly cannot find any reasoning in this statement. If the new system is as great as you say it is then it will work whether the tax is 10% or the tax is 30%. The only difference is who gets the money.

If this new system works as you believe it does then people will buy at the price they want to buy.

Ok lets come up with an example. We have 2 players. Player A and Player B. Player A has an assasiinate. He wants to get 30000 crystals from its sale. Player B Is only willing to spend 18000 crystals for it. For simplicities sake let as assume this is the only supply and demand in the market.

Now under the 30% tax player A will sell the assasinate for 39000. 30000 for him and 9000 for feerik.

Under the 10% tax player A will sell for 33000. 30000 for him and 3000 for feerik.

Now of course the player is only willing to pay 18000. So no one buys and the maximum price if I understand it is lowered. The price level finally reaches 18000. A price that player B is willing to pay.

Now if player A is still willing to sell under the 30% tax he gets 12600 crystals while feerik gets 5400.

If player A sells under the 10% tax then he gets 16200 while feerik gets 1800.

In both cases the card was sold at the level the buyer wanted. (or in a macroeconomic term, the prices where the demand was at). The only difference is who gets the money.

In fact having lower tax can have two advantages that I can see.

1. I assume that 39000 and 33000 or whatever price band will go down at the same rate due to lack of interest. Having a price start out at a lower band will make it reach the level of demand faster. (i.e. prices normalize faster)

2. There comes a point where a seller will just think that it is not worth it to sell a card when the price is too low. It happens to me when I sell magic cards warmachine figs or anything like that. I think "eh might as well keep it, might need it in the future, price is too low anyway"

Now that is more likely to happen when the seller gets 12600/18000 crystals rather than 16200/18000 crystals.

Remember a seller also has power in this transaction. If the price is too low he can choose to remove his card from the market place.

I actually think that this will lower the amount of available cards in the marketplace since some sellers will choose not to sell cards below a certain threshold (different for each card). Since the marketplace is not a good place to get cards people have to get boosters.

Anyways Ive long felt that feerik is in it for the money and doesnt care about developing the game. From bugs and trophies that should have been fixed/made available a year ago to them ignoring and choosing not to reply to the recent allegation that the winning card of the fancard contest (a year ago) was never introduced into the game. (which if I understood correctly is a big part of the prize).

I sign this boycott. My only regret is I got suckered into spending money last week when they announced the 30% discount. Perfect timing I must say. Fleece the playerbase one last time before they leave the game.

Mr.Jack · 18-10-2011 03:23:39

Anihilate a écrit :

The only reason the new system will work is because of the tax.
People will want to sell high, gain high.
They'll sell high, gain nothing.
Prices have to drop.

Mmm in fact... I think that makes no sense

<(^.^<) · 18-10-2011 03:54:11

Alright, I'll try to explain it simply.

I'll assume for this example that a card sells for 10,000cx on average at the market.

Lets say that there's currently 100,000,000cx in circulation in the game.
And that everyday 1,000,000cx are created via fights and trophies.
There's also 800 new sellable cards cards generated per day (Boosters)

If you want the prices to stay stable, you also need to keep a stable amount of cx.

Since 1,000,000 of cx are created everyday, you need to drain the same amount from the game everyday... How? With the selling tax and the card store sales (wich doesn't really have an effect).

Let's say that currently, 800 cards sell every day at the market. That means 800,000cx are pulled from the game (10% tax.)

The problem here is that there's 200,000cx left, these cx are the reason why prices slowly creep up. YOUR MONEY IS WORTH LESS, because there's more of it in circulation.

That's called inflation.

Now the solution, pull more crystals from the game. How? By increasing the tax.
Now let's examine the same situation with a 30% tax.

On 800 sells, 2,400,000cx are pulled from the game. That means that everyday there's 1,400,000cx that disappear. How does that affect the prices? They start to lower, and keep lowering until the amount of cx in the game gets stable.

That means your current cx will be worth more over time, because there will be less of it in circulation.

That's called deflation, and that's what we need to fix this game's economy.

Edit: Now on the offer/demand problem exposed above.

Remember a seller also has power in this transaction. If the price is too low he can choose to remove his card from the market place.

The only things that matter in the system that the staff implemented is the demand, offer will only have an effect if there's none of it (won't happen). So basically, the seller has no power on the transaction.

Dernière modification par <(^.^<) (18-10-2011 04:03:37)

Anihilate · 18-10-2011 04:25:07

<(^.^<) a écrit :

Alright, I'll try to explain it simply.
I'll assume for this example that a card sells for 10,000cx on average at the market.

Lets say that there's currently 100,000,000cx in circulation in the game.
And that everyday 1,000,000cx are created via fights and trophies.
There's also 800 new sellable cards cards generated per day (Boosters)
If you want the prices to stay stable, you also need to keep a stable amount of cx.
Since 1,000,000 of cx are created everyday, you need to drain the same amount from the game everyday... How? With the selling tax and the card store sales (wich doesn't really have an effect).
Let's say that currently, 800 cards sell every day at the market. That means 800,000cx are pulled from the game (10% tax.)
The problem here is that there's 200,000cx left, these cx are the reason why prices slowly creep up. YOUR MONEY IS WORTH LESS, because there's more of it in circulation.
That's called inflation.

Now the solution, pull more crystals from the game. How? By increasing the tax.
Now let's examine the same situation with a 30% tax.
On 800 sells, 2,400,000cx are pulled from the game. That means that everyday there's 1,400,000cx that disappear. How does that affect the prices? They start to lower, and keep lowering until the amount of cx in the game gets stable.
That means your current cx will be worth more over time, because there will be less of it in circulation.
That's called deflation, and that's what we need to fix this game's economy.

Edit: Now on the offer/demand problem exposed above.
Remember a seller also has power in this transaction. If the price is too low he can choose to remove his card from the market place.
The only things that matter in the system that the staff implemented is the demand, offer will only have an effect if there's none of it (won't happen). So basically, the seller has no power on the transaction.

^ This applies to the real world and the global economy too kiddies. You're all gonna grow up, so quit the kindergarten greed. -flashes a rainbow- The more you know
-points to sig-

tsuke1 a écrit :

Anihilate a écrit :
The only reason the new system will work is because of the tax.
People will want to sell high, gain high.
They'll sell high, gain nothing.
Prices have to drop.
I honestly cannot find any reasoning in this statement. If the new system is as great as you say it is then it will work whether the tax is 10% or the tax is 30%. The only difference is who gets the money.
If this new system works as you believe it does then people will buy at the price they want to buy.
Ok lets come up with an example. We have 2 players. Player A and Player B. Player A has an assasiinate. He wants to get 30000 crystals from its sale. Player B Is only willing to spend 18000 crystals for it. For simplicities sake let as assume this is the only supply and demand in the market.
Now under the 30% tax player A will sell the assasinate for 39000. 30000 for him and 9000 for feerik.
Under the 10% tax player A will sell for 33000. 30000 for him and 3000 for feerik.
Now of course the player is only willing to pay 18000. So no one buys and the maximum price if I understand it is lowered. The price level finally reaches 18000. A price that player B is willing to pay.
Now if player A is still willing to sell under the 30% tax he gets 12600 crystals while feerik gets 5400.
If player A sells under the 10% tax then he gets 16200 while feerik gets 1800.
In both cases the card was sold at the level the buyer wanted. (or in a macroeconomic term, the prices where the demand was at). The only difference is who gets the money.
In fact having lower tax can have two advantages that I can see.
1. I assume that 39000 and 33000 or whatever price band will go down at the same rate due to lack of interest. Having a price start out at a lower band will make it reach the level of demand faster. (i.e. prices normalize faster)
2. There comes a point where a seller will just think that it is not worth it to sell a card when the price is too low. It happens to me when I sell magic cards warmachine figs or anything like that. I think "eh might as well keep it, might need it in the future, price is too low anyway"
Now that is more likely to happen when the seller gets 12600/18000 crystals rather than 16200/18000 crystals.
Remember a seller also has power in this transaction. If the price is too low he can choose to remove his card from the market place.
I actually think that this will lower the amount of available cards in the marketplace since some sellers will choose not to sell cards below a certain threshold (different for each card). Since the marketplace is not a good place to get cards people have to get boosters.
Anyways Ive long felt that feerik is in it for the money and doesnt care about developing the game. From bugs and trophies that should have been fixed/made available a year ago to them ignoring and choosing not to reply to the recent allegation that the winning card of the fancard contest (a year ago) was never introduced into the game. (which if I understood correctly is a big part of the prize).
I sign this boycott. My only regret is I got suckered into spending money last week when they announced the 30% discount. Perfect timing I must say. Fleece the playerbase one last time before they leave the game.

Well, when you play irl tcgs, those cards can be traded player to player.

You are USED TO the INFLATED price, because Assassinations used to be 14k when I started.

It's like this, You'd never complain that you couldn't drive, unless you knew that you could drive in the first place.

You're so ready to ask for a convenience that you knew was there five minutes ago, but you completely neglect that there was a time where the prices you're talking about, were completely blasphemous.

This is not the real world, ALL of the card prices will be dragged down by this, the game is not MONEY HOARDER BY FEERIK, It's EREDAN ITCG, the crystals are meant to buy cards to play the game.

I've played the market before, and made millions, which is why I dropped my original account in this game (as well as personal matters leading me to close the fb)

Play the game, not the market. Most, to all of the prices are going to drop, so the 13k you made off of your assassination is going to buy you more than 13k would buy you right now.

Impatience is the reason people can't find happiness, they just want a light switch, and TADAAA ALL FIXED.

I've had enough of these threads.

Dernière modification par Anihilate (18-10-2011 04:59:03)

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