In my opinion there should be more english speaking people than any one given language simply because if there isn't a dedicated forum in one's language that person will, I think, go to the english one.
So I think that the english community should at least be as active as the french one but it doesn't appear to be so.

well i thought most of the languages were covered, and i thought that a lot of european and french and even some canadian players might go to the french side, whereas i don't see a lot of french players coming to the english one, though i have seen a couple but again i could be wrong because i haven't paid special attention to their language or what have you.

wildthing333 · 21-03-2011 16:54:30

Lonak a écrit :

Hi wildthing,
I thank you for putting up that point, as certainly other people might think that because it's a French game, almost everyone is French out there. Short answer: no.
Dedication isn't about numbers, although it certainly helps
Depending on what you look at, French players are about the same as English, Portuguese, Italian and Spanish, in terms of numbers. Or they are 3rd after Spanish and English, looking at other numbers. You can see French aren't out of your league, far from it
I blame noone by the way. I just put out some cold facts that seem to be counter-intuitive to some players. If anyone wants to participate, you have two major (but not only) options:
- create useful threads, that I am sure bleachman, myself or Dantesan will be happy to pin, if after a while they do prove very useful to everyone ;
- or participate in the wiki, and grow its pages in numbers and in quality. French players have made a topic on the subject, where people keep themselves informed of what they did, where, and ask for any missing feature (I do help putting into pages missing pictures for example, when asked in this thread). There are plans to improve the wiki further, in order to make it more user-friendly, but this is mid-term planning.
We are a community, you're all part of it, and I am part of it too. It may seem a bit hyppie, but open source projects have the same philosophy: share and improve the overall community knowledge. As a Community Manager I would like to set that up with all of you, but I cannot do it alone.

sorry for spam haven't learned how to multiquote yet, but anyhow i appreciate the information and am surprised that they are similar.

Well about the first point about creating useful threads for me that is hard to find because since I went through almost every section of the forum and almost every post it gets hard to find something that is new to me.

well honestly I found the wiki just fine for me, i read most of it when i was newer and wouldnt know what else to add honestly, plus i never edited a wiki in my life and don't want to ruin it or spread something false i don't know everything there is to know yet so personally so what i do is wait so that i have collected the most knowledge i can get before going into something, it doesnt help to do things with only partial information. Also i took a quick look at some of the older posts in some parts of the english area and the older threads seem like they had less replys and the newer threads seem to have more replys, leading me to believe that the english community is getting more active, i could be wrong though. Another part is that it could be by age if the avg age of players in european regions is older they may just naturally drawn to discuss, or maybe they spend more time here or really it could be lots of reasoning. I am just throwing ideas out there

let me just say this though, that i was a bit upset about that topic for one reason that i thought it may have been important to the present game and i had no idea what it was, at least putting something in english an explanation when it went up would have been nice.

also i wanted to know what you meant by "You are free to post within these topics, or create similar topics that can be passed onto me later on if you wish." if you were referring to the french nomad topic if so then that is a bit hard to do as i don't understand a bit of french and i am sure translators would destroy the translation to kingdom come, so i feel it is a bit harder to do those things also i honestly don't see what needs to posted most of the time, if i have a question i usually go the english chat not the boards but if it will inspire to not make topics french exclusive then i would do my best, but for the discard deck example why i wouldnt personally make a thread or post in it is because the ones i have ran across it has really been a toss up sometimes i win sometimes i lose if i had a real problem with the uber ones i would make a topic possibly but i havent crossed that bridge yet, i think a lot may be in my same shoes or maybe not.

In short i am a bit saddened that it went down this way but i can understand both sides of the anger. I will also stop before i embarrass myself with more incoherent ramblings. Also i realised some of what i said could be taken in a harsh tone i honestly don't mean it that way just trying to hit this from all sides.

Lonak · 21-03-2011 17:22:53

Wildthing333,

This is an interesting reply you make, no worries about that: it's constructive, and I do like this kind of posts.

I understand, as I told you, the frustration that could go with a French only topic, that can be understood as very important to the game. I believe you understood well enough my reasons for going that way, and I thank you for that.

As I've told, the English community is active, as all others are. Age has nothing to do with it, believe it or not, we are all about the same age (exceptions put aside). I've seen interesting topics here on the English forums, and I usually let a word or two. When I talk about sharing the knowledge, I talk about this situation in which you have nothing to learn from the forums or the wiki: maybe it's time to give pieces of advice to new players, let them enjoy the game without the hassle you may have gone through at the beginning. Editing a wiki is quite simple, and in case you do something wrong, you can edit again, or someone can thereafter. You even have an history of changes for every pages, if you want to roll back to an older version. It's just that easy, really.

I apologize for this feeling I created on non-French speakers. This was not the initial intention. We plan to make some forum changes in the future (this has been discussed a long time before the Nomades question even came out), and we are thinking about implementing a poll module. I sincerely hope we will be able to make them international. This is a feature I'm waiting for, and that I plan to use.

I might have a few other polls like the Nomads' one going on before having this module implemented, but I will put something in English and Spanish next to it, so that you guys know what the poll is about (and crossing fingers everyone will understand English or Spanish: sorry German, Italian and many other foreign players!). Then, it will be just smoother, with a nice poll module with graphics and all that

SamsonXL · 21-03-2011 18:43:13

Phew, this topic was quite a long read.
I gotta admit, after reading the first posts i was quite angry, but you changed my mind about it Lonak.
Though i can understand your intentions there's one thing in Wildthing333s post that made me thinking.
We who are unable to speak French had no chance of even knowing this kind of discussion was going on. So there would have been no obvious reason for us to open our own discussion topic.
I do understand your reasoning why this discussion was limited to the French forum, and why any future ones will probably be the same. But maybe you could consider giving us a little hint about the topic. Just something like "There is a discussion about the playability and feels of the Nomad guild in the French forum. Feel free to discuss by yourself in your own language forums."

Politikas · 21-03-2011 18:56:40

If Nomad discusion was done in french forum no problem would have hapened. But discution was made main topic of whole forum, not only french part of it. And if you make something main topic in multilingual forum and then write "For speakers of this language only" its called asking for trouble.
Just my 5 cents on this.

Falanin · 21-03-2011 19:10:14

My original point was that having Staff-created topics asking for feedback only in French is unfair to the rest of us. Saying that we could have a moderator create similar topics fails on two points.

Firstly, this relies on the moderators knowing about the topic, and being able to understand the topic well enough to post a similar one. This fails because of the second point....

Moderators are not Staff. They are not official, nor are they actually responsible to either the developers or the players in any professional capacity, since they are volunteers. A moderator-posted topic is NOT an official Feerik topic. A staff-posted topic IS.

Lonak, I respect your position in posting the debates only in French. However, I maintain that it is unfair to do so.

If, as you have stated, you are unable to adequately present the results of English, Spanish, Portugese, or Italian debate to the developers; then your responsibility as Community Manager is to GET HELP, since you are clearly unable to adequately do your job alone. Posting the debates that you will use as feedback to the developers only in the language you are most comfortable with is not only lazy, it is an admission of failure.

bleachman · 21-03-2011 20:13:20

Moderators (At least in our English forum: Rathedan and I) are not part of Feerik's staff. We are players who volunteer to help out and manage this part of the forum (we keep it relatively clean and uncluttered, occasionally reprimand people for violating the forum rules, etc..).

Seeing players suggest more initiative from our side (the playerbase), I am sure we can find a solution to get things handled fair and in consideration of every player in our community, regardless of the languages he or she speaks.

I will see if I can spark up a discussion amongst all of the forum moderators and Feerik staff on how to handle this kind of a situation better. I am sure every single moderator out there is more than willing to help with some coordination. Great would be if we could have some non moderator players who could help out, especially in terms of languages as we do not all speak the same language.

I know Rathedan can speak in addition to English, pretty good French. I am limited to English and German only.

JarodG64 · 21-03-2011 20:48:20

Well Bleachman if I can be of any help just ask.

Glasher · 21-03-2011 21:42:38

Falanin a écrit :

If, as you have stated, you are unable to adequately present the results of English, Spanish, Portugese, or Italian debate to the developers; then your responsibility as Community Manager is to GET HELP, since you are clearly unable to adequately do your job alone. Posting the debates that you will use as feedback to the developers only in the language you are most comfortable with is not only lazy, it is an admission of failure.

I would have put it in other words but this statment is something I agree with.

It really bothers me that such a good game with a ton of potential is bogged down by languages in this day n age.

Lonak · 22-03-2011 10:38:15

Hi,

I think both of you Glasher and Falanin, do not understand what my job position is. You can say whatever you want on my lack of skills, time spent on caring about the community, or complete boldness in staying within French limits, I believe you just totally forget about what I do every day since I'm here, and do not comprehend what my objectives as a Community Manager are.
Please do not cunfund frustration of a communication mistake I made (although I will not, until having the right tools, change these polls to international polls, for the already given reasons), and personnal, gratuitous attacks without knowing exactly who you attack.

I have always been transparent on the way I communicate (always giving reasons to close a topic for instance), but these polls shown on the announcement (which is a feature shown in all forums, thus I am not able to restrict it to France only, which I wouldn't anyway). This is planned to change since February.

I have today a meeting to talk about your expectations (not one player in particular, but the community as a whole) of where the game and the forum is heading to, in order to make things happen. I cannot simply deliver international content without the right tools. I asked for them on the 3rd week of February, and I do hope I'll have them available soon. Meanwhile, I would ask you to be patient, just as I as well, have to. Noone is forgotten, left alone or put aside, I try my best at showing up everywhere and share the information. Deck discussions, Fee'z problems, Bug reports, topics containing great ideas, random thoughts... In every possible languages, including English and totally not restricted to French only.

Let me close that topic for now, so that everyone can cool down. I will open it later, but I'm 30 minutes away from my meeting, and still I answer to topics.
Any further topic created on this subject will be deleted and its creator will have a one day ban, the time for me to give feedback and take actions on what to do next.

Lonak · 27-03-2011 11:48:27

Topic opened.

Please use respectful, constructive sentences, or it may be closed again, this time definitely.

On a side note, I do hope you will participate in the avatar contest: this is a unique way to create bonds with international players fo every country in the world!

Falanin · 27-03-2011 19:52:26

Thank you for re-opening my thread. I didn't want the last post to be one which wrongly implies that I am attacking you gratuitously and without justification.

Lonak, I deeply appreciate your admitting that you made a mistake in your original communication. The implications of starting feedback threads only in French out of prejudice are unfortunate, to say the least. Thank you for clarifying that such was NOT your intent.

I have already said that I respect your reasons for continuing to post feedback threads only in French. Though unfair, it is much more bearable because it is out of (hopefully temporary) necessity, rather than laziness or malice. I am also pleased to hear that you had requested changes in your available tools for international support--even before I posted about it. A clear indicator that Feerik considers these issues important goes a long way towards making the international players feel wanted and respected.

As far as attacking you personally goes, originally my thread was in reply to a post that you made. Additionally, you bear the title of Community Manager, which led me to believe that you were the best person to hear my complaints. If I was mistaken, I apologize. However, my concerns were valid. I presented them in a manner which was regrettably harsh and antagonistic, and for that I am sorry.

Thank you for acknowledging your earlier mistake, and thank you for letting us know that you have already begun to fix the communications issues that prompted my thread in the first place. With these two statements, you have defended well against my earlier attack. I have no further problems at this time.

Thanks for listening.

Eredan's World

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