Eredan's World

Erryth · 03-03-2011 15:59:11

I got my friend hooked on the game. He likes card games and I told him I'd show him how to play. He went through the tutorial, and looked at the descriptions of the decks. I told him the Noz use both magic and physical attacks, kotoba use equips to make their attack and def better and that they are the survivors, and zil start with higher attack and +1 against others, but that the style they play is kill the enemy quickly because after round 3-4 they are nearly dead.

I told him, to compliment his fighting style, he would like the Kotoba the best. He asked if he could see the deck, I told him yes and how to do it.

He said he liked the Kotoba the least and chose the Zil.

This, I came to find out, was based on the tutorial, and how you started as the Zil and beat the Kotoba. He saw them as the rival to beat and once I made a new account to play against him while he leveled up, he is now saying the only reason I am winning is because the Kotoba is better then Zil and that the Zil starter deck "Cannot" win against the Kotoba, unless they do not attack back and just give the win.

The starter Zil cant win against Kotoba because their equips make them to strong and the description of the Zil made them sound stronger then they were, and you cant chain cards like blast and assassination together.

I told him about fusing cards, like Abomination. He got mad that once a card is fused, like [card]Moira[/card] and [card]Eglantyne[/card] to make [card]Eglantyne and Moira[/card] that you cant have, say, 2 Moira and a Eglantyne for double the def bonus, or the fused version and its past versions.

I responded that the whole purpose of fusing is to make the cards better. The only reason this would make you mad is because you like the lower level cards, and in that case, why bother fusing if you didnt want that?

He now has a facebook for each starter deck, and has people added to get the 250 a day on each, yet refuses to play them, only the first one the zil. He wants to wait till he has enough gems to buy a better deck (Which actually is mirroring the deck I just made to fight against his zil) until he has the perfect deck, so he doesnt lose so often, believing its his lack of getting the best cards that is keeping him from doing well in the game.

I dont mind trading wins when leveling a card, especially when I made a deck just to get a friend higher to fight against him for real with my real deck.... but now it just feels like training wheels. His cards are leveling, but he himself isnt getting any better. He had lvl 3 cards yet still said kotoba still win against zil. He thinks in a month or 3 of collecting just the daily gems he will get enough to compete against my finished DK and Witchblade decks, or my sap heart deck, yet all he is doing is waiting till no one can beat him hiding in his shell till he can come out, and wonder why everyone "sucks" not knowing a thing about the other guilds. He still cant wrap his head around the different castes in guilds. He isnt an ellitest, and he doesnt care about winning or losing, just wants the best cards the easiest way possible.

By not fighting, biding his time, not really playing unless against a friend who wont fight back to level his cards. When I said that, he said I can fight his Zil since he doesnt care about that deck but will take his Kotoba deck slower. That infuriates me, trying to throw me what he considers his trash deck just to appease me until he can fight as my equal. The Zil are not that bad, and I seriously want to prove to him that he is missing out on a LOT. I am not the best out there, I still dont have a deck that can win in ELO and certainly not win every match in the level room, but there are a lot of people out there who will play so many varried decks that once he comes out they will cream him, since he is so singularly focused on that one way to play that once he comes out with his finished deck and loses, he will want to quit even though he is having fun.

I need help telling him what are good cards to have for a solid starting Zil deck, preferably total cost being 7000 or lower. A good, all round deck for zil that he can have fun fighting with, and not just against me, but others to, one thats competitive for his level (He is level 6 and plans on staying there only using the training room)

I know that was a lot of bitching, and chances are a lot of you will just disregard it and tell me to let him do as he wants, ignore him, or tell him to stop complaining and just play, but for all the bitchy attitude, he is my friend who joined to play against me, and I am still looking forward to it. I want better for him then the crap he is giving himself, so I really need a decent starting deck for him. Character cards, items, action cards, spells, the works.

Rathedan · 03-03-2011 16:18:03

He isnt an ellitest, and he doesnt care about winning or losing, just wants the best cards the easiest way possible

That right there basically kills the whole complaint.

Best cards don't come easy, and they never will. If he expects the game to give him everything like a single player platform game does, he'll be sitting forever.

In all honesty he is sort of right. Koto is the rock to Zil's scissors, especially when you consider the original deck setups. Newer cards make the disparity a bit less, but your "traditional" Zil and Koto, Koto wins more than loses.

Decks for under 7k are hard to make effectively. There are a few listings in the deck building forum that have cheap decks made for under 10k though. But none are Zil.

The two cheapest mid level decks are Hom'chai IHAS decks and tracker decks, and you're still looking at 25k at least.

Lonak · 03-03-2011 16:29:06

There is no real "best deck".
All decks can win quite easily on other decks, and at the same time be beaten by another deck type.

In the 3 starter decks, Zil beats Noz'Dingard, Noz'Dingard beats Kotoba, Kotoba beats Zil. The game gets much more complex after you have enough to buy new cards on the market, or in boosters, and even more interesting.
Eredan iTCG is based on this balance of cards: you might be very powerful against one or more foes, but you will always have strong weaknesses to other ennemies.

What I can suggest though, is that your friend gets playing more, so that he can buy all 3 starter decks: that will give him some nice cards to play with, and different styles to experiment. Cards on the market begin as low as 100 crystals, so do not hesitate in telling him to experiment, buying new cards.

Then, there are tons of useful topics around here to check, get him involved in the forums, he will surely like it.

Erryth · 03-03-2011 16:33:01

Rathedan a écrit :

He isnt an ellitest, and he doesnt care about winning or losing, just wants the best cards the easiest way possible
That right there basically kills the whole complaint.
Best cards don't come easy, and they never will. If he expects the game to give him everything like a single player platform game does, he'll be sitting forever.
In all honesty he is sort of right. Koto is the rock to Zil's scissors, especially when you consider the original deck setups. Newer cards make the disparity a bit less, but your "traditional" Zil and Koto, Koto wins more than loses.
Decks for under 7k are hard to make effectively. There are a few listings in the deck building forum that have cheap decks made for under 10k though. But none are Zil.
The two cheapest mid level decks are Hom'chai IHAS decks and tracker decks, and you're still looking at 25k at least.

He wants to play this game like he would an RPG. He considers this grinding, getting better so when he goes out into the world, everything will be easier and he wont have a hard time.

He has Bloodsword, and I told him to make a Pack deck, but he is so focused on getting every card to its max level, that he doesnt really want to play, just level the cards and leave. I suppose if he stayed like that for a LONG time, he can indeed eventually work his way up. He talks about the 90k gems a year as if it will happen in a month though, and his impatience is going to make him leave once the character cards he has cant go in the training area anymore, then just keep switching out till each new one is leveled.

I just want to give him a taste of a competitive deck so he will try for that, inspire him to play. If that doesnt work, then yes I'll give up on trying, but his problem is that since zil is all he will play atm, yet he sees them as worthless, he isnt gaining any skills in playing. I see him throwing out really weak cards instead of planning his moves, yet since thats how he knows to play, he is assuming that my cards are better, not that he is playing incorrectly, or that perhaps using the smart ass card with the heart of battle chain might not be as good as with assassination, or that having 1-3 health isnt that bad if the opponent is dead. Every time he is hit, he reacts like he needs a health potion that if any die he will lose, and zil dont play that way. Its all or nothing. Kotoba is more his thing, especially the tracker caste but he is going to waste all his gems on other cards because he doesnt play enough to know about those cards, and until he sees them in action, he kinda just dismisses them, even if he sees the card, he needs to see the deck work to see if he wants it or not

Erryth · 03-03-2011 17:04:58

Lonak a écrit :

There is no real "best deck".
All decks can win quite easily on other decks, and at the same time be beaten by another deck type.
In the 3 starter decks, Zil beats Noz'Dingard, Noz'Dingard beats Kotoba, Kotoba beats Zil. The game gets much more complex after you have enough to buy new cards on the market, or in boosters, and even more interesting.
Eredan iTCG is based on this balance of cards: you might be very powerful against one or more foes, but you will always have strong weaknesses to other ennemies.
What I can suggest though, is that your friend gets playing more, so that he can buy all 3 starter decks: that will give him some nice cards to play with, and different styles to experiment. Cards on the market begin as low as 100 crystals, so do not hesitate in telling him to experiment, buying new cards.
Then, there are tons of useful topics around here to check, get him involved in the forums, he will surely like it.

Sadly I have but he still wants to sit and wait on his Kotoba to flower into some god deck. I myself started on Noz. I thought I picked wrong, zil killed me and kotoba were hard, since I didnt really have the magic to take them all down, pilk was defenseless, moira acted more as a warrior part time mage. I got better, kept tweaking my deck till I was happy, fought more, saw new cards I wanted, tweaked more, and I want that for him. Just dont know how to inspire him to play like the rest of us do instead of hiding till he feels safe his cards, at lvl 5, can compete with mine at lvl 11. He assumes people who buy boosters are always going to be stronger so this is how he retaliates, by waiting them out.

I tell him about other cards, like the witchblades. He said thanks for the tease on something he can never get. I have them, sans Naya but will be in there soon. I worked hard for my cards, leveling them, earning gems to get better cards. I get the 250 same as he does, but I also fight. By the time he saves to get a good card, thats going to be one I already bought and discarded for something better. I dont see him ever really catching up

Rathedan · 03-03-2011 17:08:34

He won't ever catch up with that mindset. Which is a shame, but at the same time, it doesn't sound like he really appreciates the social gaming the same way you do

Erryth · 03-03-2011 17:24:06

Rathedan a écrit :

He won't ever catch up with that mindset. Which is a shame, but at the same time, it doesn't sound like he really appreciates the social gaming the same way you do

No, I guess not. We have played RPG games before. I'd make friends, join guilds, talk, quest together, it was fun. He'd stay by himself, grind to level up, make money, etc. He'd spend several hours more playing the game, but only knew what came to him through the continuous grinding where as I explored the world. Sometimes he leveled up a bit more then me, but mostly because I'd spend an hour or 2, and he'd spend 5 hours, even though questing was faster and gained you more since you always fought increasingly harder monsters.

This card game gets increasingly harder the further you play because everyone is getting better, not just their cards.

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