So anyway after leveling up a few cards and selling them I have around 40-50k (woohoo ) and I was woundering is this enough to make a decent Sap Heart deck? After reading a few of there abilitys i've came to the conclusion that they rely on 2 of there cards dying and making 1 tank of a card? Im probabily wrong but thats just what im gathering.

So if anyone could give me some pointers as to what cards to buy, what action cards to use and how to generally play with Sap Hearts I'd be gratful.

Also if a level 1 card is foil will it be foil at level 2? Just curious.

Thanks.

Glasher · 07-02-2011 00:19:39

the cheapest sap heart deck is IHAS. it wont carry you very far in elo but ull be have a lot of fun.

jedc · 07-02-2011 01:09:00

Rusko a écrit :

So I started the game a week or two back and tried my hand at Desert Nomads but after playing awhile I realised 2 things ;
1. 0 defence sucks.
2. Not enough money for the best action cards doesn't help.
So anyway after leveling up a few cards and selling them I have around 40-50k (woohoo ) and I was woundering is this enough to make a decent Sap Heart deck? After reading a few of there abilitys i've came to the conclusion that they rely on 2 of there cards dying and making 1 tank of a card? Im probabily wrong but thats just what im gathering.
So if anyone could give me some pointers as to what cards to buy, what action cards to use and how to generally play with Sap Hearts I'd be gratful.
Also if a level 1 card is foil will it be foil at level 2? Just curious.
Thanks.

nomads may have 0 defense, but their high health and damage more then make up for that, especially when your using healing cards like solaris. Nomads have one of the most powerful decks in the game id say.

anyway, sap heart staples include x3 hypnotic melody, x3 quickdraw, some scouting the area (preferably lvl 2) elfine bow for ydiane (also preferably lvl 2) and maybe a few I hate Mystics. that should get you started.

as for your comment about making the last one a tank, your probably looking at red-mark and that other guy, but imo, they're not that great. i kick the crap out of spirtit speaker decks as well, with my own sap deck.

melisandre and ydiane like to one shot things, their like assassins that hit 3 times instead of one. the quicker you kill things the better. they're not meant for long drawn out battles. scout the area helps with that.

i use kiezan's warrior version atm, but tbh, his ability kind of gets in my way as well, when i use scout the area and then he takes away half that bonus the next turn lol.

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Rusko · 07-02-2011 01:39:47

Yeh I know what your talking about with Nomads just doesn't help I can't afford the elite cards yet. Anyway I don't think i've got quiet enough for 3x Quick draws but I can buy a Ydiane and Melissandre and level them up I suppose.

The first card I looked at when I looked at your comment was Hypnotic Melody then thought to myself why on earth would I use this but after looking at everything else I can see it will be more than usuful.

I didn't get a reply in awhile so I took it upon myself to buy some cheap actions cards like Idol of life and Bark Armor (facepalm) Amber Sword and Scouting the Area (got something right) just to get me started.

So the idea of the deck I've got is this ;

Kezian, Melissandre and Ydiane.

And action cards would include ;
3x Quick Draws.
3x Hypnotic Melody.
3x Scouting the area (level 2)
3x I hate Mystics??? (Who can I equip this to? Still kinda new sorry)

Any more you would advise me to include? Also do ''Foil'' cards stay ''Foil'' when they level up?

Thanks for your help.

Erezil · 07-02-2011 04:55:36

Rusko a écrit :

Yeh I know what your talking about with Nomads just doesn't help I can't afford the elite cards yet. Anyway I don't think i've got quiet enough for 3x Quick draws but I can buy a Ydiane and Melissandre and level them up I suppose.
The first card I looked at when I looked at your comment was Hypnotic Melody then thought to myself why on earth would I use this but after looking at everything else I can see it will be more than usuful.
I didn't get a reply in awhile so I took it upon myself to buy some cheap actions cards like Idol of life and Bark Armor (facepalm) Amber Sword and Scouting the Area (got something right) just to get me started.
So the idea of the deck I've got is this ;
Kezian, Melissandre and Ydiane.
And action cards would include ;
3x Quick Draws.
3x Hypnotic Melody.
3x Scouting the area (level 2)
3x I hate Mystics??? (Who can I equip this to? Still kinda new sorry)
Any more you would advise me to include? Also do ''Foil'' cards stay ''Foil'' when they level up?
Thanks for your help.

Idk how many people have played with the other Sap Hearts but the Keizan, The Hailwalker (both mage versions) and Spiritspeaker deck seem to me to be more effective than the elfine deck. The elfines can one shot you fairly quickly but i have had more success with the mage World-Tree deck than any other Sap heart deck. That would consist of the elfine deck, the world-tree warriors, and any other sap heart additions. Wood protection can act as extra defense against decks like the elfine that reduce defense and at the same time it enhances your spell damage. Unfortunately from what Ive tried, none of the Sap Heart decks are ultra effective in the ELO battles but all are fun to play and have a high win percentage.

Rusko · 07-02-2011 05:44:44

Could you maybe give me a deck idea? Or maybe the deck you use? Again thanks for the help and to be honest im not really aiming for a ELO deck yet im quiet happy making crystals the good old fashion way lol.

jedc · 07-02-2011 06:13:00

x3 hypnotic melody (decreases their defense, but since your extra attacks are your characters printed low attack, the decrease on your attack doesnt matter much)
x3 quick draw (hypnotic melody+quick draw equals 1 hit kills with ydiane or melisandre lvl 3 most times)
x2 scout the area (can buy lvl 1 and lvl them up yourself)
x2 I Hate Mystics (basically the card [card]Blast![/card] but with a bonus to spirit, and ability to chain
x3 magic poison (id consider using a mage version of kiezan or some other character/guemilite just so they can chain this card. Fireball+magic Poison is pretty nasty)
x2 elfine bows for ydiane

now since i use the warrior version of keizan i also have a perforator and 2 amber spears in there, i use the amber spear first, since warrior keizan can chain weapons i can still play the card i was planning on playing anyway, and then later when he has taken damage, i play the perforator or the other amber spear, since when amber spear is discarded from play it heals 2 points.

jspruill · 07-02-2011 14:31:40

I have to agree... if you aren't looking to play ELO IHAS is your best deck for cheap. The real only problem is anathematize. My IHAS deck wasn't perfect but won me a lot of games and quite a few perfects. You need very few cards

Elder Mailandar
Rargnor
Red Mark

Then its simple from there, u just put items to discard however you want a few other items from sap heart as bonuses...

1x idol (chains on rargnor and gives him 1 health)
Amber Spear (chains on mark and mail and gives 2 health)

Other then that I run these as well:

3x IHAS
2x Watcher
1x Scheme

this allows 14 items I believe. Play smart though... I try to get about 7 items in my gy and then hope I can get my IHAS. I don't play IHAS any earlier than the 3rd round. People that go through all their items in their deck are just setting themselves up to have their GY removed.

Rusko · 07-02-2011 18:22:40

Just curious as to what IHAS stands for? lol.

Erezil · 07-02-2011 18:23:37

Rusko a écrit :

Just curious as to what IHAS stands for? lol.

[card]Items have a soul[/card]

Rusko · 08-02-2011 01:04:44

Ah right okay cheers for that.

jedc · 10-02-2011 04:12:53

pretty sure Elfine beat IHAS. IHAS needs to stack up items, Elfine one hit kills.

Melisandre is 6/9, going against say, 2 defence, and say he had three items on him with 2 dmg on him. (keep in mind for him to get three items this would be turn 4,5, or 6) he goes back to full health, gains 3 attack and 3 defence. melisandre using hypnotic melody/quick draw, your defense goes back down to 2, melisandre's attack is now 4/7. lets say the first attack is middle damage, at 6 doing 4 . her two extra attacks hit at 6 doing 4 damage each as well for 8 + 4 total damage.

12 damage brings those guys down to around 2 health, and thats after they've had a chance to stack items. you do that combo first turn the damage is more like 15-18.

para · 10-02-2011 18:15:17

jedc a écrit :

pretty sure Elfine beat IHAS. IHAS needs to stack up items, Elfine one hit kills.
Melisandre is 6/9, going against say, 2 defence, and say he had three items on him with 2 dmg on him. (keep in mind for him to get three items this would be turn 4,5, or 6) he goes back to full health, gains 3 attack and 3 defence. melisandre using hypnotic melody/quick draw, your defense goes back down to 2, melisandre's attack is now 4/7. lets say the first attack is middle damage, at 6 doing 4 . her two extra attacks hit at 6 doing 4 damage each as well for 8 + 4 total damage.
12 damage brings those guys down to around 2 health, and thats after they've had a chance to stack items. you do that combo first turn the damage is more like 15-18.

dont need the elaborate thing.....just say "anathematize" and IHAS is done

0_Shanks · 10-02-2011 18:42:54

para a écrit :

jedc a écrit :
pretty sure Elfine beat IHAS. IHAS needs to stack up items, Elfine one hit kills.
Melisandre is 6/9, going against say, 2 defence, and say he had three items on him with 2 dmg on him. (keep in mind for him to get three items this would be turn 4,5, or 6) he goes back to full health, gains 3 attack and 3 defence. melisandre using hypnotic melody/quick draw, your defense goes back down to 2, melisandre's attack is now 4/7. lets say the first attack is middle damage, at 6 doing 4 . her two extra attacks hit at 6 doing 4 damage each as well for 8 + 4 total damage.
12 damage brings those guys down to around 2 health, and thats after they've had a chance to stack items. you do that combo first turn the damage is more like 15-18.
dont need the elaborate thing.....just say "anathematize" and IHAS is done

Melissandre has another price then Elder Mailandar, Rargnor or Red Mark

para · 10-02-2011 20:41:27

0_Shanks a écrit :

para a écrit :
jedc a écrit :
pretty sure Elfine beat IHAS. IHAS needs to stack up items, Elfine one hit kills.
Melisandre is 6/9, going against say, 2 defence, and say he had three items on him with 2 dmg on him. (keep in mind for him to get three items this would be turn 4,5, or 6) he goes back to full health, gains 3 attack and 3 defence. melisandre using hypnotic melody/quick draw, your defense goes back down to 2, melisandre's attack is now 4/7. lets say the first attack is middle damage, at 6 doing 4 . her two extra attacks hit at 6 doing 4 damage each as well for 8 + 4 total damage.
12 damage brings those guys down to around 2 health, and thats after they've had a chance to stack items. you do that combo first turn the damage is more like 15-18.
dont need the elaborate thing.....just say "anathematize" and IHAS is done
Melissandre has another price then Elder Mailandar, Rargnor or Red Mark

what?

Rusko · 10-02-2011 23:30:03

Well right now im using IHAS just mainly because Quick Draw and Melisandre is decently expensive and I'll just stick with this for now and try that other suggestion when I can afford. Again thanks.

Erryth · 11-02-2011 17:00:33

I like 2 possible combinations.

The three Horm Chai to use Items have a soul (last time I went up against that they were brought down to 3 health by round 4, then they used ihas which gave them I think it was 13/17 att and 15 def. I couldnt touch them since they killed my mage, so I lost giving them a perfect.

Melissandre and Ydiane are quite the combo. Both attack twice for their normal and printed low att. Ydiane chains bows mel chians daggers, but can also use a bow, which spreads damage across the players. Obviously focusing on whomever has the lowest def so that there is more damage (Since the other characters def doesnt affect the spread damage) and attacking twice can really knock down the enemy quickly. One gains boost on odd turns and the other on even. Ydiane is a nature guem to so she can use nature spells such as Magic Poison and Roots. The third is a toss up between bearcupine for his -2 health when phys attacked, using ruinic gauntlet or deirf geiss shield along with your choice of weapon, or Elder mand for his +2 attack if he dies, using a good spear and one of the 2 armors above, or items have a soul, making him neigh invincible (Except to mages or other sap heart)

Rusko · 11-02-2011 19:33:00

Just a quick question about Items have a soul, how come when I use it, it just discards the cards on the character I use it on and gives me no more then + 2 attack and defence?

I thought it gave +1 attack and defence per different card in your discard pile? There was me thinking i've got the game in the bag and im gonna get plus 7-8 attack and end up getting 2? And ontop of that my 3 idol of lifes went and ambre sword so I ended up with less attack and defence then I started with lol.

Could anyone explain how it works down to the last straw? Maybe im missing something.

Erryth · 11-02-2011 19:50:26

Rusko a écrit :

Just a quick question about Items have a soul, how come when I use it, it just discards the cards on the character I use it on and gives me no more then + 2 attack and defence?
I thought it gave +1 attack and defence per different card in your discard pile? There was me thinking i've got the game in the bag and im gonna get plus 7-8 attack and end up getting 2? And ontop of that my 3 idol of lifes went and ambre sword so I ended up with less attack and defence then I started with lol.

Could anyone explain how it works down to the last straw? Maybe im missing something.

I have not used it yet, but it is maximized by using the horm chai characters, such as red mark, elder mand, and the other one forgot the name. They get defense in addition to attack.

Items have a soul take away all your items you are currently using, and any items, not action cards, that are in your discard. To make the ihas effective, you need a buttload of item cards, just discard them instead of using them.

That should solve the problem

Raymond4PLP · 11-02-2011 20:01:42

There was me thinking i've got the game in the bag and im gonna get plus 7-8 attack and end up getting 2? And ontop of that my 3 idol of lifes went and ambre sword so I ended up with less attack and defence then I started with lol.

the thing with IHAS is that EVERY ITEM HAS TO BE DIFFERENT. 3 idols are 3 cards, but they are not different from each other

Rusko · 11-02-2011 21:08:47

Yeh im using them three characters Red-Mark Elder and Rog but I didnt realise that it was Item cards that had to be in the discard pile I thought it was just cards, and I know the 3 idol of lifes would only give 1+ attack and defence I do know they need to be different just didnt realise it had to be Item cards.

Thanks everyone.

kwndnl · 13-02-2011 12:59:00

Hey everyone. Been playing for about a week now, and after reading this thread, I've been running Ydiane/Melissandre/Mage Keizan with some pretty good success (40/7).

I was looking through the Sap Hearts for the umpteenth time, though, and started wondering if The Hailwalker as a Mage/Warrior might be a better fit for the deck. Fireball/Magic Poison with Keizan is nice, but if you double Magic Poison, HW still gets to attack, and his attack is actually reasonable. Also, if you're facing a Noz deck, Keizan is basically powerless--I usually end up Scouting the Area a few times. Hailwalker can use I Hate Mystics and chain Hypnotic Melody if necessary, or take an opportunity and Quick Draw (you know, when I get enough crystals to afford 3 of them...)

Tl;dr: Who's better for the 3rd character in an Elfine deck: Mage Keizan or Mage/Warrior Hailwalker?

Cheers!

Raymond4PLP · 15-02-2011 18:40:23

To the elfines?? i'm using [card]kei'zan[/card] warrior with it and works really well... if you wanna know between those 2, i'd say mage/warrior [card]the hailwalker[/card], cuz of it's attack... warrior hailwalker requires a [card]life devourer[/card] AND [card]kei'zan[/card], and you can't cast a simple [card]magic poison[/card] with him. mage [card]kei'zan[/card] is nice, if you have all the spells needed, and it could work with [card]the hailwalker[/card] mage/warrior cause of the mind bonus. don't really think that mind helps the elfines...

besides, remember [card]the hailwalker[/card] doesn't chain spells, so NO 2 [card]MAGIC POISON[/card] with a decent attack...only one.

Dernière modification par Raymond4PLP (15-02-2011 18:40:56)

Dracatis · 16-02-2011 04:12:19

I love how when people talk about sap hearts it ends up the same boring answers. IHAS this, Elfine Quick draw, World Tree Mage Deck *yawn*. You have a ton of options.

Ones I've had work well:

Pure Elfine
Ydiane/Melissandre/Gaya
It's a bit slower but a lot more stable and can take some decks that other Elfine decks typically have big problems on. If you can't figure out how to run it well you haven't looked hard enough, there is PLENTY of interesting combinations.

Melissandre the Invincible
Ydiane/Melissandre/Jayane
What scarier then Melissandre? Melissandre that doesn't die on the 4th or 5th round. If you've got Multitasking, maybe two will keep on the beatings(or a really healthy Mel)

Arrows that block out the Sun
Ydiane/Melissandre/Aryhpas
Aryhpas, who is that? No one ever thinks about her. All she is is a priest that can go in any deck and equip any equipment. Totally worthless. Ydiane is troublesome with an Elfine Bow, Mel is a pain with it too, all three with bows and Aryphas healing? Watch all three opponents drop in the same round for fun.

Elfine Chi
Ydiane/Melissandre/Ragnar
Whats that? Ragnar doesn't belong here? But you have 7 low attack and Quick Draw and if he suicides with Fury potion or whatnot, your elfs get buffed. Quicker then the average elf. Throw in IHAS, desert and elfine bow, Life Devourer, Simple dagger, Idol of Life, Crown of the Border, Amber Spear, whatever and someone is going to town even if they aren't getting the defense. People forget this is still quite an effective card without Homchi.

Treetop sniping
Ydiane/Warrior Mage Kei'zan/Warrior Mage Hailwalker
This deck pretty much covers all bases. Low defense? Quick Attacks and Ydaine. Only one has low defense? Elfine Bow. Dependant on chains? Your characters are all rooted. Low spirit? Here is some Magic Poison. Need to survive? How about some super Bark armor? One last attack? Have an IHAS to the face.

Defend the World Tree
Melissandre/Warrior Mage Kei'zan/The Claw
Who uses The Claw? Just because she has a 7 low attack that works well with Quick Attack and chains two handed weapons like Amber Spear... Mel chains her Life Devourers and continues eating your low defense face with impunity. Bark Armor, IHAS, the usuals and very quickly you'll eat any deck that doesn't start with 5+ defense. Even then it's just an arms race that you could easily win.

I have another deck I'm playing around with but I don't expect it to be a winner, just really silly fun. But the biggest thing is don't be afraid to break the mold and make something interesting and different, you can still do well, especially when your opponent is quite confused how to play against you.

Dernière modification par Dracatis (16-02-2011 04:25:37)

Gaurdian · 17-02-2011 16:59:21

Dracatis a écrit :

I love how when people talk about sap hearts it ends up the same boring answers. IHAS this, Elfine Quick draw, World Tree Mage Deck *yawn*. You have a ton of options.
Ones I've had work well:
Pure Elfine
Ydiane/Melissandre/Gaya
It's a bit slower but a lot more stable and can take some decks that other Elfine decks typically have big problems on. If you can't figure out how to run it well you haven't looked hard enough, there is PLENTY of interesting combinations.
Melissandre the Invincible
Ydiane/Melissandre/Jayane
What scarier then Melissandre? Melissandre that doesn't die on the 4th or 5th round. If you've got Multitasking, maybe two will keep on the beatings(or a really healthy Mel)
Arrows that block out the Sun
Ydiane/Melissandre/Aryhpas
Aryhpas, who is that? No one ever thinks about her. All she is is a priest that can go in any deck and equip any equipment. Totally worthless. Ydiane is troublesome with an Elfine Bow, Mel is a pain with it too, all three with bows and Aryphas healing? Watch all three opponents drop in the same round for fun.
Elfine Chi
Ydiane/Melissandre/Ragnar
Whats that? Ragnar doesn't belong here? But you have 7 low attack and Quick Draw and if he suicides with Fury potion or whatnot, your elfs get buffed. Quicker then the average elf. Throw in IHAS, desert and elfine bow, Life Devourer, Simple dagger, Idol of Life, Crown of the Border, Amber Spear, whatever and someone is going to town even if they aren't getting the defense. People forget this is still quite an effective card without Homchi.
Treetop sniping
Ydiane/Warrior Mage Kei'zan/Warrior Mage Hailwalker
This deck pretty much covers all bases. Low defense? Quick Attacks and Ydaine. Only one has low defense? Elfine Bow. Dependant on chains? Your characters are all rooted. Low spirit? Here is some Magic Poison. Need to survive? How about some super Bark armor? One last attack? Have an IHAS to the face.
Defend the World Tree
Melissandre/Warrior Mage Kei'zan/The Claw
Who uses The Claw? Just because she has a 7 low attack that works well with Quick Attack and chains two handed weapons like Amber Spear... Mel chains her Life Devourers and continues eating your low defense face with impunity. Bark Armor, IHAS, the usuals and very quickly you'll eat any deck that doesn't start with 5+ defense. Even then it's just an arms race that you could easily win.
I have another deck I'm playing around with but I don't expect it to be a winner, just really silly fun. But the biggest thing is don't be afraid to break the mold and make something interesting and different, you can still do well, especially when your opponent is quite confused how to play against you.

i agree with you, messing with the traditional straegys is fun an people dont expect it, im currently running yadiane, red mark, and bearcupine, i havent lost with it yet, and im not even useing ihas or quickdraw, i focus on just weopon chaining and stuff, altho i do have to say i try avoiding her bow cuz it can backfire easily. i also sometimes run spirit speaker instead of bearcupine, if i use them in the right order i can easily throw spells like root and fireball together, makes a good combo...

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