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Khardan · 08-01-2011 14:16:10

I came across a lot of Noz decks lately and every time I seemed to face a [card]Magic Attack[/card]. Why the Noz have such card however is beyond my understanding. Every other class who is depending on their attack doesn't have such ability, so why the Noz?

I mean they have [card]Ice Barrier[/card], [card]Illusory Reflection[/card], [card]I hate Brawlers[/card] and many other cards to boost their defence while the mages can cast spells and have the [card]The pen is mightier...[/card] [card]Than the Sword[/card] combo, so why is there a need for [card]Magic Attack[/card]?

No one should be able to completely annihilate the defence. I mean, [card]Hypnotic Melody[/card] and [card]Under the sun[/card] comes with counterpart like - attack or - spirit and it only gets rid of a certain amount of Def. [card]Solaris[/card] only halves the Def.

Even if Warriors and Marauders could get Spirit to 0 as a counterpart, there would be less use of it since they generally can't cast spells while mages can still attack even if it is 2/5 and dual classes like warrior/mage or marauder/mage profit even more.

In any way I'm not saying that Noz are op but they have more options then ANY other guild. To overcome their defence is often a heavy task while they chain spell you to death. Either give other guilds/classes a similar ability or get rid of [card]Magic Attack[/card].

para · 08-01-2011 16:23:15

it takes away one of their attacking spells, that is how its evened out. 2 rods beat than the sword and magic attack any day

goscar · 08-01-2011 16:39:00

Umm you do know that magic attack can be use by ANY mage right? Also the fact that regular mages have really low attack and mage hybrids/ dragon guemelite can't chain it basically balances it out.

Pennywise · 08-01-2011 17:24:18

Khardan a écrit :

I came across a lot of Noz decks lately and every time I seemed to face a [card]Magic Attack[/card]. Why the Noz have such card however is beyond my understanding. Every other class who is depending on their attack doesn't have such ability, so why the Noz?
I mean they have [card]Ice Barrier[/card], [card]Illusory Reflection[/card], [card]I hate Brawlers[/card] and many other cards to boost their defence while the mages can cast spells and have the [card]The pen is mightier...[/card] [card]Than the Sword[/card] combo, so why is there a need for [card]Magic Attack[/card]?

Any mage can use all cards you mention, not only the Noz.

blackwaltz · 08-01-2011 17:39:58

Pennywise a écrit :

Khardan a écrit :
I came across a lot of Noz decks lately and every time I seemed to face a [card]Magic Attack[/card]. Why the Noz have such card however is beyond my understanding. Every other class who is depending on their attack doesn't have such ability, so why the Noz?
I mean they have [card]Ice Barrier[/card], [card]Illusory Reflection[/card], [card]I hate Brawlers[/card] and many other cards to boost their defence while the mages can cast spells and have the [card]The pen is mightier...[/card] [card]Than the Sword[/card] combo, so why is there a need for [card]Magic Attack[/card]?
Any mage can use all cards you mention, not only the Noz.

I think what he's trying to say is he wants a card similar to magic attack that can be use by the other class, or he just wants magic attack to be removed.

Limestone · 08-01-2011 18:02:01

Khardan a écrit :

I came across a lot of Noz decks lately and every time I seemed to face a [card]Magic Attack[/card]. Why the Noz have such card however is beyond my understanding. Every other class who is depending on their attack doesn't have such ability, so why the Noz?

Magic attack is a universal spell, any mage can use it so it's not noz exclusive spell,but the dragon guemelite which happens from noz can use them but can't chain.

Khardan a écrit :

I mean they have Ice Barrier, Illusory Reflection, I hate Brawlers and many other cards to boost their defence while the mages can cast spells and have the The pen is mightier... Than the Sword combo, so why is there a need for Magic Attack?

The spells above like [card]Ice Barrier[/card] , [card]Illusory Reflection[/card] and yadda..yadda..yadda were meant to compensate mages fragile nature as heavy hitters. I think it's rare for mages to cast [card]The pen is mightier...[/card] [card]Than the Sword[/card] combo, it didn't do much but the dragon knight can do decent damage with this and [card]Magic Attack[/card] is heavily used by dragon knight to balance their weak damage potential.

Khardan a écrit :

No one should be able to completely annihilate the defence. I mean, Hypnotic Melody and Under the sun comes with counterpart like - attack or - spirit and it only gets rid of a certain amount of Def. Solaris only halves the Def.

Did you think [card]Hypnotic melody[/card] and [card]Solaris[/card] is much a lesser threat than [card]Magic Attack[/card]? Well please consider that [card]Hypnotic Melody[/card] chains on elfine, sure it reduces the user -2 attack and -3 defense for the enemy but the initial and secondary attack is proved to be fatal , followed by [card]Quick Draw[/card] an instant kill could be made..

Moving on to [card]Solaris[/card].. sure it exactly halves the opponents defense (rounded down) but the following effect is the most annoying of all, you get hp equal as half of the damage done to your enemy, [card]Kararine[/card] and [card]Djamena[/card] could last very long with this..

Khardan a écrit :

Even if Warriors and Marauders could get Spirit to 0 as a counterpart, there would be less use of it since they generally can't cast spells while mages can still attack even if it is 2/5 and dual classes like warrior/mage or marauder/mage profit even more.

2/5 of attack is kinda pathetic . Most of pure mage class got low attack scores on them, a pure mage with the most attack score is toran with 5/8 and in the second place there is the watchmaker defense version with 4/8 attack.

Multi class mage can't chain spell which not always more beneficial

Khardan a écrit :

In any way I'm not saying that Noz are op but they have more options then ANY other guild. To overcome their defence is often a heavy task while they chain spell you to death. Either give other guilds/classes a similar ability or get rid of Magic Attack.

Imagine [card]Telendar[/card] on the first turn attack someone with [card]Assassination[/card] and chain a card with similar effect as [card]Magic Attack[/card], no one could survive that

Everyone is on the same boat when it comes to mages, including me and you..

Rathedan · 08-01-2011 19:26:46

Imagine Telendar on the first turn attack someone with Assassination and chain a card with similar effect as Magic Attack, no one could survive that

[card]Ill Omen[/card]

And yes, I use it very often

So there is cards to use. I wouldnt worry.

Good mage decks don't use magic attack anyway. The only ones the SHOULD be using it are dragon knights.

goscar · 09-01-2011 01:18:32

Rathedan a écrit :

Good mage decks don't use magic attack anyway. The only ones the SHOULD be using it are dragon knights.

...... I use magic attack with my mage deck....... and I kick ass with it.......

Yugimonz · 09-01-2011 04:09:22

Rathedan a écrit :

Imagine Telendar on the first turn attack someone with Assassination and chain a card with similar effect as Magic Attack, no one could survive that
[card]Ill Omen[/card]
And yes, I use it very often
So there is cards to use. I wouldnt worry.
Good mage decks don't use magic attack anyway. The only ones the SHOULD be using it are dragon knights.

Agrees with this

Khardan · 09-01-2011 14:08:27

blackwaltz a écrit :

Pennywise a écrit :
Khardan a écrit :
I came across a lot of Noz decks lately and every time I seemed to face a [card]Magic Attack[/card]. Why the Noz have such card however is beyond my understanding. Every other class who is depending on their attack doesn't have such ability, so why the Noz?
I mean they have [card]Ice Barrier[/card], [card]Illusory Reflection[/card], [card]I hate Brawlers[/card] and many other cards to boost their defence while the mages can cast spells and have the [card]The pen is mightier...[/card] [card]Than the Sword[/card] combo, so why is there a need for [card]Magic Attack[/card]?
Any mage can use all cards you mention, not only the Noz.
I think what he's trying to say is he wants a card similar to magic attack that can be use by the other class, or he just wants magic attack to be removed.

You got it. I never said, only Noz can use it anyway but they can make the best use of it.

Limestone a écrit :

Did you think [card]Hypnotic melody[/card] and [card]Solaris[/card] is much a lesser threat than [card]Magic Attack[/card]? Well please consider that [card]Hypnotic Melody[/card] chains on elfine, sure it reduces the user -2 attack and -3 defense for the enemy but the initial and secondary attack is proved to be fatal , followed by [card]Quick Draw[/card] an instant kill could be made..

True, there is a possibility but I've come across decks, where the mage had 10 defence and made my def disappear.

Limestone a écrit :

Multi class mage can't chain spell which not always more beneficial

That's rubbish, they can still chain action with spell so it's very benefitial. [card]Magic Attack[/card] is a strong cheap card which seems to be a bit underrated...

I still think it either needs changing (both get def=0 or just half the def) or get rid of it...

Dernière modification par Khardan (09-01-2011 14:50:22)

Poptolev · 09-01-2011 14:17:33

Khardan a écrit :

I still think it either needs changing (both get def=0 or just half the def) or get rid of it...

It's no worse than Assassination.

Assassination nets +3 or +4, while Magic attack .. well it depends on the opponent but the average def is around there .. 3-4, so the advantage is the same.

There is no difference in increasing attack or decreasing the opponents def so +3 attack or -3 def is pretty much the same (with few sap exceptions). The only problem I see is if Pilkim uses this card because it nets 2 more (his def). But he has low attack to compensate that.

You don't see anyone whining about Katamaru because it has the potential to ruin a mage deck (well I doubt that it can ruin a good noz deck atm because of the state of Kotoba mages). If you have 2 spirit and your opponent has 2 spirit as well that's +4 right there ... and the opponent's mages usually have more than 2 ... I am just waiting for the moment when Tsoutai are going to get support ...

Dernière modification par Poptolev (09-01-2011 14:30:37)

Khardan · 09-01-2011 14:54:33

3-4 Def is average WITHOUT any action. You can easily double that. Especially mages! So why can they get easily rid of the whole Defence of the opponent? It's not much the pure mages I'm on about too, it dualclass mages.

Limestone · 09-01-2011 15:03:25

Khardan a écrit :

That's rubbish, they can still chain action with spell so it's very benefitial. [card]Magic Attack[/card] is a strong cheap card which seems to be a bit underrated...
I still think it either needs changing (both get def=0 or just half the def) or get rid of it..

At least they can't RoD and Magic Attack you at the same time..

Although chainable action card such as I hate mystic and I hate brawler which multi class mage can easily chain proved to be a pain for all classes...

Dernière modification par Limestone (09-01-2011 15:11:50)

bleachman · 09-01-2011 18:04:43

[card]Scroll of Immobility[/card] - Its not 0 defense, but meh, for that it cannot be countered.

wamhu · 09-01-2011 23:36:59

Khardan a écrit :

3-4 Def is average WITHOUT any action. You can easily double that. Especially mages! So why can they get easily rid of the whole Defence of the opponent? It's not much the pure mages I'm on about too, it dualclass mages.

k.......even with magic attack used and chained with some other card, the most a dualclass mage or a pure mage can do is probably like 12 damage max.

eg. rank 3 bomzar WITH turn bonus (att 9/11) using "all's fair in love..." + magic attack then he'll only get like 12/12
rank 4 pilkilm with turn bonus using ...than the sword + magic attack gets 8/12
rank 3 eglatine & moira with turn bonus AND against a warrior using attack dance + magic attack gets like 7/12

SO in the end 12 damage is really NOT that much compared to like tier 1 zil/kotoba/pirate decks which dishes out 15+ damage on a regular basis, and sap heart decks has the items have souls set or the double attack decks to balance it out. and noz decks are self-explanatory, they use magic attack back at you LOL. And for desert nomad decks it's EVEN more useless since half the characters have like 0 defense in the first place.

the only ones who would really worry about this card are ppl using circus decks cuz they CAN get KOed from that kinda thing. Otherwise only ppl who are still using rank 1/2 decks would worry about it lol, I don't think anyone who has a permanent elo of 1800+ cares and unless a lot of THOSE ppl say this card is too powerful I don't think it's leaving the game anytime soon

besides ppl who run high defense to spirit ratio decks these days would worry more about implosion more than magic attack anyway

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#1 08-01-2011 14:16:10

"Magic Attack"

#2 08-01-2011 16:23:15

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#3 08-01-2011 16:39:00

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