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Dantesan · 06-12-2010 10:57:36

After a week of incredible battles, we have our winners for the 30th ELO Amnezy Tournament.

1st: 4000 Crystals + the Collector's card "Knackered" : neloh (Elo 2001)
2nd : 3000 Crystals + the Collector"s card "Knackered : Adianter (Elo 2000)
3rd : 2000 Crystals + the Collector"s card "Knackered" : Lulosaurio (Elo 1961)

Those who won 1000 Crystals :Alphard, Random26, RADIUS, Ibrahim_Ertuerk, Deltakoda, juliusnext, ZiOn_stf, jeronimo42000, Bibibis, kayokatsu.

Congratulations to them !

Your Temporary Elo has been set back to 1500, a new tournament is now underway and will finish in a week.
Until next monday at 10h00, challenge people in the ELO room. After this period, we will stop the Elo ranks in order to figure out the winners.

To win :

1st : 4000 Crystals + One collector card
2nd: 3000 Crystals + One collector card
3rd : 2000 Crystals + One collector card
In addition to this, a random draw will be made on 10 participants who will pocket 1000 Crystals.

Update :

- The Halloween cards and Proelior Magus Wands have changed category in order to stop appearing in the Item section.
- The card brought back by Hungry Void is now considered as a third card played.
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Rathedan · 06-12-2010 14:08:58

dantesan a écrit :

The card brought back by Hungry Void is now considered as a third card played.

Meaning?

LB3 is illegal with void?

Seraph · 06-12-2010 14:21:01

No.
It means what it says...

Also, for anyone interested here are the decks that were used to win this Amnezy Tourny:

1. neloh ( Zil Marauder )
2. Adianter ( Kotoba )
3. Lulosaurio ( Noz'Dingard envoys )

Rathedan · 06-12-2010 14:26:56

Well, AoE cards can't be chained, so making it apply as a third card would make it null.

"Meaning what it says" is pretty vague and useless....

Third card played means to me a few potential things.

1) AoE isn't legal with it anymore, because of what I said above.

2) If its played, it means it has to be playable by the character (like Cloning)

3) Obesity and other counters will work on it where they weren't before.

So it could mean a lot of things, at least to me...

Cartel · 06-12-2010 16:28:16

Have you even used the card before? Used to be whichever card was voided was immediately played by said player. This has nothing to do with chaining. It doesn't have any effect on Bolts. It works like this. Lets say I go first and play any card that chains. Then the other player plays his first card. Then I play hungry void. It used to be that my voided card was immediately played. Now, the void is played, you pick which card you want to bring back, but it isn't activated till after the opponent has played his 2nd card. Meaning just what the dev notes said, it's the 3rd card played. Pretty straight forward. Not sure where you're at. And the card you picked has always had to be playable, non-playable cards are greyed out and not able to be chosen. Which leaves me to ask you again, have you ever used the card?

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Rathedan · 06-12-2010 16:51:09

If it's just an ordering issue then fine, that all I'm asking. If you can't understand where I was coming from in the question behind it, don't belittle and ask if I've ever seen it played. I know how it plays. I've seen it in play, I know how it works. I don't have to own one to be concerned about the metagame implication. It sounded like they were making it a chaining issue, which'd ruin most of the current play. They're not. I misunderstood the phrasing. That's all I was asking.

Azale · 06-12-2010 17:17:14

First off Cartel, I believe based on the forum rules, you are extremely close to be considered attacking someone else. And it being a mod, I am actually surprised that your posts aren't edited yet.

Secondly, I totally understood his question on asking about the mechanics, and i was curious about the answer as well. An answer which it seems you are just guessing at? A third card played, like the craftsmen stuff, means that that card will now go into the stack, which I would assume means it can be affected without affecting the void. Now, Obviously it would be rather apparent to the void user, since all cards will be on the table at that point, and they can choose as needed. (I.E.- if the other player happened to be second and chained into an Obesity, choosing an action card for void would be silly)

But again, these mechanic changes would need to be verified by people who have seen the new void in action, or the dev's. Assuming does two things and neither is nice.

Cartel · 06-12-2010 17:27:27

I'm not assuming, I play the card regularly. And Rath has deleted my posts before so I'm not too concerned with it. He's just fun to talk to.

Rathedan · 06-12-2010 17:28:17

And it being a mod, I am actually surprised that your posts aren't edited yet.

I'm not going to edit something versus me, that's biased editing. Other mods want to they can.

Now, back to my point from original:

Situation one:

Playing Zil:
Say its your turn and you have 2 daggers and dm3 is in the graveyard

You play void as card 3 in the order. I play card 4 as Obesity.

Old method:
Obesity did crap. DM3 wasn't a played card, it was an activated card on turn 3.

New method:
Does OB now have a chance to cancel DM3?

Situation two:

If situation 1, the new method means that DM3 is now played instead of activating. Which means it's added to the chain. Which to me, meant that the AoE and non-chaining abilities were clashing. Which, in turn, ruins using it with LB3.

Was pretty sure that the second situation is jsut a technicality that'll be overlooked, but I wanted to make sure.

Im testing the first with seraph right now, I'll see what happens

Azale · 06-12-2010 17:30:15

So you mean you've been playing with the card today and have seen the changes?

The only thing that comes to mind for me is that from the sound of it, they made it work like the Multitasking - craftsmen item combo works. The card just gets placed at the end of the chain.

Which in essence would mean that it could be affected separately then void itself.

Would you say this is or is not the case?

Rathedan · 06-12-2010 17:33:45

Played and countered a Bunny as the fifth card with Obesity being the 4th card in the stack played.

So you can technically counter the 5th card now.

But like I said, now the card technically plays in the chain and can be individually countered instead of being activated from the GY. AoE can't work with chains. I was just worried they had killed the big Noz AoE combo. They probably just ignored the AoE+Chain rule though for voided cards.

Cartel · 06-12-2010 17:36:28

I guess I don't fully understand your question. The way void used to work is that when you played it, the card that you voided back into play was played immediately. Now, when you void a card, the opponent gets to play his next card in line before your voided card activates. Does that make sense? (Asking sincerely)

Rathedan · 06-12-2010 17:43:49

It makes full sense. And thats what I wanted to test.

But like I said, the way I saw it was that it wasn't being played as a true sense of the word in the game is played.

It was activated. The difference being that activation reads and uses all the abilities on the card immediately, and ignores all the restrictions of play.

Restrictions being: 2 cards max played per turn, class restrictions, AoE non-chainable.

Void ignores all of those because it's activated and not placed in the play chain, rather being "Activated" within the second cards abilities. Hence how LW+LB3 works. Last word isnt chaining with LB3. LW is chaining with Void, which is just borrowing LB3's card abilities. This made it legal to play because Void wasn't in itself an AoE card.

Now, Void places the card in the chain stack instead of copying its abilities. And the rules may have changed on it, meaning the restrictions about AoE+Chain came back into effect. That was my concern.

Azale · 06-12-2010 17:52:22

Good to know. I am guessing you were testing with someone on purpose. otherwise your opponent wasn't thinking too straight by playing an action into Obesity.

Rathedan · 06-12-2010 17:56:31

purposely to test the mechanic yes.

You won't really see that situation often in real play. The only time that would happen is if the resolving order was Obesity-Obesity--Void-Obesity-Action was the card order chain. That's a lot of chesswork to get something like DM3 nulled

But nonetheless the mechanic, to my understanding, changes now to chain the third card.

bleachman · 06-12-2010 18:59:39

The cards that let you play other cards from discard piles, including Hungry Void, Cloning, Mimicry, etc... activate the card as the third, respective fourth card. It used to immediately activate the cards and now they are usually all activated after the first two cards are.

This change has been in effect for a couple weeks though. I know because of my cloningtastical zil mage deck I have bene playing the past weeks.

Cartel · 06-12-2010 19:02:16

Ya, it has been in effect for awhile. Not sure why they just now put it in the notes.

JarodG64 · 06-12-2010 20:35:59

Because some french players asked if Hungry Void was bugged or not

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