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apoth · 04-12-2010 05:19:39

The server for some reason can read spells lightning fast and the animations require little load time, so if you are facing another mage with nothing but spell cards then your rounds will go very fast. This is why you see people in tournaments with 20 games in 60 minutes.

When you play a card that modifies your spirit/def/attack the server has to 'think' on its end and then animate to show the changes. This as we all know takes up a lot of time. Spell cards are just direct damage so you don't have to wait 10 extra second for it to load.

I'm sure this issue has been brought up with Feerik but I just wanted to let others know in case they didn't.

A suggestion to change the way tournaments works has been brought up many times but I wanted to post this to reinforce the need to change from "most number of wins." This is a direct exploit of the system mechanics and it should be changed asap!

steven_allen · 04-12-2010 05:22:02

that's not why they play mage decks. They play them because they win fast.

Anihilate · 04-12-2010 05:52:44

Noz Mages can consistently kill all 3 of your characters before turn 4 comes up, thats why they're used so damn much. If the animation lags, its your computer or connection.

apoth · 04-12-2010 09:03:07

You guys don't understand. Don't any of you realize spell cards take less than a second to go through while cards such as items take a little more time to show their attack/def animate.

And if anyone can't handle a flash game or is still on dial up wouldn't be on the internet playing this anyway. So that theory is not applicable.

The fact is, it's a game mechanic that smart people can take advantage of. Ya know getting the most wins isn't ALL based on your cards, some people take the extra step to exploit system flaws.

Instead of criticizing me and ignoring the evidence I have suggested, just please go try it out. Build a deck of all spells and see how fast it takes to play them versus stat boosting cards.

And since so many play Noz for tournaments, you can imagine how fast they can go through a single game if both sides are Noz.

Dernière modification par apoth (04-12-2010 09:04:06)

doubledipper · 04-12-2010 09:18:04

The server doesn't "think" for 10 seconds when I boost my stats. I do agree that the most number of wins is a horrible way to judge the winner of a tourney though.

bleachman · 04-12-2010 09:56:53

apoth a écrit :

Instead of criticizing me and ignoring the evidence I have suggested, just please go try it out. Build a deck of all spells and see how fast it takes to play them versus stat boosting cards.
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They take just as much time. Two cards per round.

apoth · 04-12-2010 17:27:07

I witnessed it. It's a flaw in the game mechanics and you guys are just trying to tell me I am wrong without backing up your reasons like I have. So I laugh at you... (haha, see?).

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bleachman · 04-12-2010 17:59:37

apoth a écrit :

bleachman a écrit :
apoth a écrit :
Instead of criticizing me and ignoring the evidence I have suggested, just please go try it out. Build a deck of all spells and see how fast it takes to play them versus stat boosting cards.
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They take just as much time. Two cards per round.
Really 2 cards per round? Holy crap I didn't know that, and this whole time I've been playing only 1 card. Such insightful comments from you lot, thank you for showing me the light, maybe I can start winning 20 games in tournaments now.

The reason why most people in tourneys have such high win counts is not because the decks beat the opponents swiftly, but because their opponents leave. 'Why waste your time against a deck you will lose too?' is what a lot say when facing such a situation. If people would just play the games without leaving, more people would actually have a fair chance at getting decent scores.

Seraph · 04-12-2010 18:23:21

The time is about the same. The only difference is that when you use spells your character doesn't attack, which means 1 animation less. But some opponents will just stall for a while anyway. So it is no big deal.

And, 20 games in 60 minutes? You are going toooooo far. lol

Also, Noz mages are not used as much as you make others think.

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apoth · 04-12-2010 21:23:45

Seraph a écrit :

The time is about the same. The only difference is that when you use spells your character doesn't attack, which means 1 animation less. But some opponents will just stall for a while anyway. So it is no big deal.
And, 20 games in 60 minutes? You are going toooooo far. lol
Also, Noz mages are not used as much as you make others think.

It's not one animation less. The reason I brought all this up is because I was facing a Noz deck and in one turn I had nothing to play. My opponent uses 2 spell cards and they just go off in rapid succession and the turn was over in less than 2 seconds, literally.

Now if you use 2 cards that boost stats, don't you ever notice how the server lags sometimes? Of course it will appear the same amount of time if someone on either side uses stat boost cards because it still slows down to animate the stat changes.

Now if both of you used spell cards against each other it would go twice as fast since there is no stat changes. Do you see where I am coming from?

And the last tournament I played, the top 3 players (with at least 2 wins above everyone else) were.... dun dun dun.... Noz decks.

Oh and yes, I did actually see 20 games in a tournament before, so don't question my integrity. Why would I lie about any of this all I am trying to do is make this game a little more fair cause I think it has great potential and I really would like to see it succeed more.

Seraph · 04-12-2010 21:47:57

I am not questioning your integrity...

You made two statements based on exceptions during this thread, and used them as a general rule. That is the problem.

First of all, to get 20 games in 60 minutes you need a lot of people to forfeit matches against you. Even if you are correct about the whole time the servers takes to handle different cards, it is just SUPER RARE for someone to reach 20 games played in 60 minutes during a tourny. Most tourny winners have a MAX of 12 wins. And that is what matters.

About your second statement: It is RARE to see 3 Noz decks reach the TOP 3 at the same time. Once again, the way you wrote about it makes others think that is what usually happens when it is not. Just because you saw it happening once it doesn't mean it is the usual thing. I have seen many times Zil taking the top places, for example.

Papa_Frita · 04-12-2010 22:22:24

if apoth was witness of a tournament where the winner had 20 games is just not relevant.

it is true that noz mages are damn fast, but its also a property of the deck and i don't think it should be modified. but what has to change is the tournament system, as many other agreed.

maybe WE should propose ideas for tournaments..

from my point of view.. i think that an elimination system would work fine

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apoth · 05-12-2010 00:47:05

Papa_Frita a écrit :

if apoth was witness of a tournament where the winner had 20 games is just not relevant.
it is true that noz mages are damn fast, but its also a property of the deck and i don't think it should be modified. but what has to change is the tournament system, as many other agreed.
maybe WE should propose ideas for tournaments..
from my point of view.. i think that an elimination system would work fine

Thank you for acknowledging what I've been trying to explain to these people. I love the idea of an elimination system. Maybe something like 2 or 3 losses and you're eliminated, that way even overpowered decks still have a chance to lose.

yuccaflo · 05-12-2010 01:20:07

apoth a écrit :

Can I ask you what is habitat guem or whatever under your name?

It's the title for more than 100 posts

Seraph · 05-12-2010 01:27:03

The way you say things matters a LOT.

You just said Papa_Frita told us the same thing you have been trying to, but here is what really happened:

Papa_ Frita said he wants a change in the tournament system and proposed how it should be done.

You asked for a change in the tournament system, without giving any idea of what should be done until Papa_Frita said about single elimination, because you think Noz can exploit the current mode simply 'cause according to your experiences the Spells are faster to cast than buffing cards.

Of course everyone ( or almost everyone ) agrees with the need for a new tournament rule based on something else other than "most wins in 1 hour", which is flawed in many ways. But people don't agree on your reasoning behind it....That was problem since the very beginning.

doubledipper · 05-12-2010 02:49:24

Anihilate a écrit :

Noz Mages can consistently kill all 3 of your characters before turn 4 comes up, thats why they're used so damn much. If the animation lags, its your computer or connection.

Papa_Frita a écrit :

it is true that noz mages are damn fast, but its also a property of the deck and i don't think it should be modified. but what has to change is the tournament system, as many other agreed.

They are saying the same thing.

apoth a écrit :

The reason I brought all this up is because I was facing a Noz deck and in one turn I had nothing to play. My opponent uses 2 spell cards and they just go off in rapid succession and the turn was over in less than 2 seconds, literally.

You are saying that the server lags when you play buffs. Two different things.

apoth a écrit :

Thank you for acknowledging what I've been trying to explain to these people.

This confuses me because you are saying Papa Frita acknowledged what you were trying to explain but he is saying a Noz mage deck will win the game faster, not that the lack of animation on lightning spells makes them win faster.

When I play it doesn't take 10 seconds for a buff to activate. It takes maybe 1 second. That is what we're trying to explain to you. Perhaps your computer cannot handle the graphics the game needs to run smoothly?

Please just calm down. And maybe you could put all of your quotes in one post so the topic doesn't get so "littered".

Thank you

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bleachman · 05-12-2010 04:02:04

doubledipper a écrit :

Please just calm down. And maybe you could put all of your quotes in one post so the topic doesn't get so "littered".
Thank you

I have started to delete excess posts. including flaming and off topic whining ones. I will continue doing this, should it continue to happen. If actually I have to do it one more time, I will issue a temporary ban on any member who spams this conversation with multi posts or posts off topic. Use the edit button and stay on the line.

Gabriel_Caetano · 06-12-2010 04:27:43

awright, i got throu the thread and i wont comment bout solutions here now coz i already did on another thread.

but i gotta agree at SOME level the the flash animation CAN make difference on the game for i tried different computers at home, cyber cafe, friand's hause etc and i've got some examples that the more thinkin the system needs slower the game can be, so it happens that calculating dammage on normal combat and animations for status changes DO slow down sometimes and it can be because of the server, plug in, cpu or maybe all of them. in fact an option to turn animations off for slower computers would be nice. it can be annoying when the game screen takes ages to go to next step

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Samsari · 06-12-2010 04:43:55

Gabriel_Caetano a écrit :

in fact an option to turn animations off for slower computers would be nice. it can be annoying when the game screen takes ages to go to next step

+1
And a quality toggle would be nice too.

ssjtrunks · 08-12-2010 19:13:01

Samsari a écrit :

Gabriel_Caetano a écrit :
in fact an option to turn animations off for slower computers would be nice. it can be annoying when the game screen takes ages to go to next step
+1
And a quality toggle would be nice too.

+2
and also +1 to quality toggle
plus it's a win win situation things would go smoother faster and servers would allow for more, for example for me around some times when there are over 1,2 1,3k people on it lags like hell and i can barely connect, and its not the internet i have a really good provider

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