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SlyTechs · 27-10-2010 02:56:38

I just wanted to see what you guys think is the best deck from the two.

1. For the DK, Zahal, Valentin and Kounok along with the standard items (dragon armor, draconian sword), Magic attacks...aside this, what else is good to add, to make it competitive.

2. The Pack deck, Bestials, Fly off the handles, blood ties, All is fair in love and War combo, Shells...what else?

Which one is better? and why

PS: Which cards to add in DK and The Pack decks? Is solar anger good, with dragon wit? What about dragon wit with the new cards, like Elfine bow? Tell me what you guys think, and make this post helpful for other people

martin · 27-10-2010 05:18:23

In your DK "Journey" is awesome thought it is a trophy and expansive, but DK is expensive. Another weapon to wield to "draconic sword", i think "life devouring"or something is a good way to go. Eventually you could play that mage "anryeka" with "Zahal" and "kounok the prophet". And the chery would be "the last move" in the mean time "than the sword" is helpful card

Regards

P.S. that is the way i'm going as i'm builting up DK myself.

Spasm · 27-10-2010 07:45:37

I have a Pack deck and have been very succesful with it. Often if it doesnt win outright with characters alive still, it crushes the opponent in end of battle damage score, more than a few times I have gotten 100+. That bieng said, it isnt that fun too play with, there isnt much difference in the combinations that you can play and that work, and all games follow the same basic way of playing (ie. get [card]bestial[/card] early, keep [card]fenrath[/card] alive with defense cards, annihilate the enemy with [card]faceless[/card] and [card]all is fair in love..[/card] [card]..and war[/card]) and gets boring after awhile.

I do still use it from time to time though, and will probbally pick it up again if they (ever ) add another decent character and cards for variety.

MoonFever · 01-11-2010 18:40:21

I'm finding the Caste decks are kinda fun to play...with a theme and all...

I've been playing the Pack, branched out into trackers...now looking into Tomb Guardians and Dragon Knights myself...

[card]Valentin[/card]
[card]Kounok the Prophet[/card]
[card]Zahal[/card]

3 [card]Dragon Armor[/card]
3 [card]Draconian Sword[/card]
3 [card]Dragon's Presence[/card]
3 [card]The Pen is Mightier...[/card]
3 [card]...Than the Sword[/card]
3 [card]Magic Attack[/card]

That seems to be the standard build correct? Not sure how necessary "The Pen is Mightier..." is. I could see using [card]Crystal Shelf[/card] instead.

Thing is, your only chain is "Dragon's Presence", but you can't chain Than the Sword with that. [card]Obesity[/card] is a good filler card for the other two spots in the deck, but what are others thoughts?

SamsonXL · 01-11-2010 19:09:52

I don't like [card]Dragon's Presence[/card], can't chain anything but your items with it. I don't use it.
Regarding the Pen Combo, i don't like the fact that [card]The Pen is mightier...[/card] is a completely dead card if you won't draw [card]Than the Sword[/card]. Add to that the fact that [card]Than the Sword[/card] is a mere +2 or +3 attack bonus if played solo. So i threw this combo out too.
I'd suggest using [card]The best Defense[/card] and [card]Revelation[/card], both are solid cards in this deck.
I'm giving the [card]Dragon's Wit[/card]/[card]Solar's Anger[/card] combo a closer view at the moment. It's a nice boost if it works, but both cards are completely dead draws for themselves. I'm not really sure whether to keep it or not, since i hate having dead cards in hand.
In addition to [card]Obesity[/card] im leveling [card]Smash that Wall[/card] and [card]Sunburn[/card] as answers to some troublesome cards. I haven't decided which of them to use in what quantity yet.

MoonFever · 01-11-2010 20:17:25

Revelation is a great card for all pure caste decks.

I see that Valentin can chain off of a sword, and Zahal can chain off of Armor, which helps.

The built in healing from Dragon's Presence is what drew it to me first, though you have quite a bit with the Armor and Sword already.

It seems the [card]Dragon's Wit[/card]/[card]Paladin's Hammer[/card] combo is nasty too because of the built in healing. But, I agree I don't like the inconsistancy and dead cards. If I'm going to have dead cards, I'd rather have those that aren't completely dead, like obesity, smash that wall, and Sunburn.

By the way, what's the difference between sunburn lvl 1 and sunburn lvl 2?

A possible other replacement card could be It is Time.

I have a similar conundrum with my Tracker deck. [card]Art of the Iron Fist[/card] only chains an item, which I do have 11 in my deck. But it is a dead card when my first [card]Shuriken[/card] comes into play. Dragon's Presence can follow up with 9 cards in one build (Dragon Armor, Draconian Sword, Crystal Shelf). But the bonus Spirit provided by it really does nothing to boost Than the Sword. [card]I hate Mystics[/card] is a decent chain card too, though situational...but I still feel the deck needs more chain cards...maybe just default to [card]Protect the Weak[/card] or [card]Weapon Dance[/card]?

magius · 02-11-2010 10:22:57

MoonFever a écrit :

Revelation is a great card for all pure caste decks.

I think Revelation is overrated. It seems that the bonus calculates the amount of characters with the same caste that is still alive during combat. So if 2 characters are dead, it gives no bonus at all. Not sure if this is a bug.

MoonFever a écrit :

It seems the [card]Dragon's Wit[/card]/[card]Paladin's Hammer[/card] combo is nasty too because of the built in healing. But, I agree I don't like the inconsistancy and dead cards. If I'm going to have dead cards, I'd rather have those that aren't completely dead, like obesity, smash that wall, and Sunburn.

Tested Paladin's Hammer. Although on paper it looks good, you have to remember it will cause your draconian sword to discard, which in my opinion is the bread and butter of a dragon knight deck as it pumps up their low attack scores. In addition, it takes a turn to activate it (to have it equipped). I personally don't think Paladin's Hammer is good in DK decks at all.

Dernière modification par magius (02-11-2010 10:27:35)

Proximus · 02-11-2010 17:47:11

My DKs dual wield Draconian Swords and Life Devourers, which is a pretty solid package since those provide some life gain as well. Considering the effort to get Pala Hammer going, I think that Life Devourers, which provide you with less lifegain for more draw consistency and punch are the better option.
I've also tested Dragon's Presence, it's very situational since it requires a Noz card AND is rather useless in the first 3 rounds, but provides a nice chain for The Last Action. Since this deck needs every chainable card it can get, I ended up playing 1 Journey and 1 Dragon's Presence.
The Best Defense is a must imo, since it allows you to break stalemate situations.

Dernière modification par Proximus (02-11-2010 17:48:36)

jfzero · 04-11-2010 02:20:41

I'd play instead of the Pen is mightier...than the sword combo all if fair combo....it gives a nice +6 atk and the combo pieces are kinda solid too.

and you can always have 2 DK equipped with DSword and 1 with Pally hammer, that have worked wonders for me, i use 3 Dwit, 2 Solar anger 2 Pally Hammer.
And actually i find dragon presence kinda useless...and is sad cuz actually i started building DK for a foil one i got in a booster xD
Finally the obesity is more a burden than anything else here cuz it hurts your def bad, i'd play smash that iron or even sunburn instead

Martenus · 04-11-2010 12:26:54

what i ask myself ! who needs dragon knights ? What do the over that Kotoba cannot do better and faster.

Politikas · 04-11-2010 12:42:45

Dragon knights can hold very well vs Mages, and with magic attack they eat kotoba alive, they also have better healing.

paperbagdemon · 04-11-2010 13:44:32

i agree that kotoba is simpler and faster but they are easier to predict though

Martenus · 04-11-2010 13:57:37

The hold well against mages ? i almost never lost agains DKs with my mages and i dont know but the standard kota start formation looks alot stronger to me and kotota can heal too and has better weapons and better actions and dont need that buildup crap. but ok magic attack ist most likely a killer against kotoba.

jfzero · 04-11-2010 18:47:36

I play both koto warriors and DK, and imo They both have it's pros and cons, its all about what the ppl like, sometimes in the the mood to DK some other for Koto, the fun about DK is that is not your average deck, and still do decent against a large variety of decks so is up to you

Okugi · 27-12-2010 01:13:46

Take a look at [card]liquefaction[/card]. Being a Noz card, it can chain off of [card]Dragon's Presence[/card] for a two card defensive turn. Or play it off a chain with something else.

Ang_Kapre · 27-12-2010 05:45:10

I agree that the "all is fair.." combo is better than "the pen is mightier..." for DK decks. If an opposing character has a much higher spirit score, the " than the sword" card won't activate. But for the "All is fair.."combo, you have a consistent +6 attack regardless of the spirit scores.. What I noticed was my DK deck is having difficulties against courtesan (Kimiko and Councilor Ishaia), Sap heart (melissandre+hypnotic melody+ quick draw), and discarder decks (I don't have the card "a new start"). I'm having problems on killing early the dangerous characters. Maybe the Time to die + Best defense will do the trick?

Okugi · 27-12-2010 06:36:42

Ang_Kapre a écrit :

I agree that the "all is fair.." combo is better than "the pen is mightier..." for DK decks. If an opposing character has a much higher spirit score, the " than the sword" card won't activate. But for the "All is fair.."combo, you have a consistent +6 attack regardless of the spirit scores.. What I noticed was my DK deck is having difficulties against courtesan (Kimiko and Councilor Ishaia), Sap heart (melissandre+hypnotic melody+ quick draw), and discarder decks (I don't have the card "a new start"). I'm having problems on killing early the dangerous characters. Maybe the Time to die + Best defense will do the trick?

Haven't played a courtesan deck yet, so can't comment on it, but I too have been having trouble with the sap heart quick draw and multiple attacks a turn decks. I wish DK's were marauders, since it seems warrior decks in general are slow and can't really hold their own against other deck types.

DK specific cards seem to be far too situational to really be able to make a solid deck out of. Let's take a look at them and see what uses can be made from them.

First up are the Personalities:

[card]Kounok the Prophet[/card] Solid card, warrior and marauder, and his level 3 and 4 version just make a DK deck.

[card]Valentin[/card] Solid stats all around. Nothing too outstanding, but not really lacking either. Wish he had some sort of ability beyond the basic warrior abilities.

[card]Zahal[/card] Just like Valentin, solid all around with no outstanding abilities.

The DK actions:

[card]Draconian Sword[/card] Pretty solid card. Adds attack and defense to each of your DK's except Zahal, until you choose to go the dragon route for his level 3 upgrade.

[card]Draconium[/card] I'm not sold on this at all. I usually run Draconian Sword and Dragon's Armor as my items, and don't really want to destroy them for a one-time +6. Seems like a last round, last ditch type of card.

[card]Dragon's Courage[/card] I don't get this card. When would you want to give your opponent +3 health? Sure, it could be used to lower the spirit against a mage deck, but what else? Once again, it has the 'Chain Noz cards' effect that really isn't too useful unless you're trying to get some items out.

[card]Dragon's Presence[/card] Seems to be a much debated card. Mainly it seems the 'Chain Noz cards' effect that people don't find useful. Would be nice if it was changed to 'Chain Spell Draconic cards'.

[card]Follow the Pink Rabbit[/card] If you run a heavy item deck, use it. Otherwise it's pretty meh.

That's all for DK specific cards. About as many as the other Noz caste, Witchblades, gets, but far less useful I think. I've been playing around and have been trying out a purely defensive build, with some better success, but nothing truly top tier worthy. At best, I would say a DK deck is around third tier in the current setting.

Dernière modification par Okugi (27-12-2010 06:48:27)

Papa_Frita · 27-12-2010 10:13:36

[card]Dragon's Courage[/card] it's a pretty basic card but could make u win a fight

it works like [card]Tadaa! You're a Bunny![/card]. Same concept but applied to mages.

pekpekkypek · 28-12-2010 04:57:42

Valentin is now the weak link in the DK deck. I've been playing around with the idea of using Bomzar instead of him, and running The Dragon's Awakening (HOO HAH!). Bomzar can cast Magic Attack, can equip the swords no problem, and even gets +1 defense from Zahal. When he gets transformed into a dragon knight, he becomes that much more useful.

An old standby of DK decks is the DWit + Hammer + Anger combo, but I am not a big fan of it because it wrecks deck consistency.

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