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Shadoww · 06-10-2012 21:46:08

Hey all !

I'm the Guild Leader of the Zil's Guild, and sorry for my English, because I'm French, but I wanted to take your opinion too, yes, your !

In your Opinion, what will be the next Zil Update ?

Discard is far away from a lot of Zil's Deck, like the Pack ([card]Brutus[/card], [card]Melée Generale[/card], etc... ), the Shadow were update last time, and the Dagger can be high in Elo, but expensive.

So, in my opinion, Discard must be update, like a new carachter who low the Attack of our opponent, or cards who can discard your opponent Deck according to your opponent Deck (Like 1/10, 1/5 card discarded...)

But, we have something else, behind all others..

[card]Aberration [/card] ! We need Characters, NO PACK, but something to make a Deck with him...

Some Armor, too, like something with Damage's Reflection...

So, hold your Keboard, and say all your Love to the Zil's Guild, help us to make it stronger and stronger !

MerlinCross · 06-10-2012 23:22:20

I see 4 people in that pic that shouldn't be there.

As for my thoughts on Zil, more Marauder support would be nice, as they seemed to be sold as the faction that used them the best. At least when I first joined.

TheRainMan · 07-10-2012 00:00:56

So, in my opinion, Discard must be update

So, the Priest Update, including n'taba and put-up job was not update enough? Despite the fact that zil discard is too strong since the release of indigestion.

Update, ok, if Feerik really needs too. But this must be a release of several weak or useless cards, since zil discard is already very strong + annoying enough.

The only zils who really need a update are the marauders, the next one would be the pack. (although this are mostly fine)
Zil marauders have the legendary character, but this is actually all they have. they arent even competitive in highelo atm (execpt you call 1700 High-elo.)

But its dificult about the cards zil marauders should get...maybe a card which "steals" some attack of a enemy and gives it to your character? Dunno, since the dmg cards are actually fine

Another nice update would be releasing a new "monster" next to abomination and aberration, to make them a full deck, maybe giving them a new caste too? (which was planned by feerik i guess. if not it was complete nonsens to release aberration)

Wolvos · 07-10-2012 02:28:31

discard is unpopular because its an easy way to win in round 4

Shadoww · 07-10-2012 02:42:20

Discard was nerfed, when the limit of the cards past from 20 to 50 =/
The top-players don't use it a lot, but...

[card]Aberration[/card], Armor for Big-Zil and Discard ? But Shadow must'nt be update

The steal of ennemy's weapons can be a great Idea, like [card]Subtilisation[/card] without restriction ? The bad-side of the Zil

The great problem, if we make a "Big Zil deck", that's the.. Biz Zil Characters =/ Imagine 3 Aberrations, I love Zils, but I don't want to OP my guild ^^

hotfoot · 07-10-2012 03:28:45

I think mostly Aberration just needs to find his place in zil. All it would take is to multiclass him marauder or priest , or give him caste. Right now he's just a lonely warrior that doesn't belong anywhere.

pikadusk · 07-10-2012 03:54:59

Personally, I much rather see an update for the Maurader side of the pack, Currently most pack decks surround only three of possible 6 pack members. Ie. Brutus, Fenrath, and Wild. For me it would be nice to see some cards put out so the Bloodsword and Dark have a viable combination instead of just being sidelined by their warriors brethern.

Right off the bat I will be honest and say I am not a big fan of discard and also disagree with you on the notion that there hasn't been any new cards for a zil discard. With the addition of [card]The Marquis[/card], (pirate/zil version) and [card]Back Light[/card] syncing up [card]Marlock the Repentant[/card] and [card]Doyen Verace-Counciler[/card] you can make yourself a pretty nice zil discard deck. Now if you wanted to be specific actually state circus zil instead just zil, then maybe, and I stress maybe they need an update.

Also giving Aberration a playmate may be fun, but like merlincross said zil was originally the faction famous for marauders, and yet the daggers are their only doable option for the zil marauders so why should we get more warriors first.

Calandra · 07-10-2012 13:06:21

i love zil above every other guild

i run a zil dagger deck, a shadow mage deck, a terror priests deck, a dusty discard and last but not least a half finished pack deck

i ll start with my fav deck,

zil mages:

-the addition of [card]mallascaria[/card] was good and needed, makes me feel more complete with this deck and tttss
-addition of [card]demenz[/card] and [card]shadow tentacle[/card] were good and needed to stay competetive

conclusion: they dont need any update soon because they rock pretty hard without bein too OP

terror priests:

-a tough bunch onces the keycards are out in game (mostly [card]put-up job[/card])
-depending on gamestyle you either hinder your enemies deck by pushing cards in or you just buff your priests till they kill everything on sight

conclusion: they can be very annoying and hard to fight but they are beatable not least of all because of the important recycle ability of [card]n'taba [/card]. hardly worth an update anytime soon

the pack:

-as my deck is just half-finished i can only say what i ve seen so far... they are hard but beatable
-knowing their mechanisms makes them vurnerable... easy to predict and less harmfull once fenrath is down.
-they offer a good and interesting fight at nearly all times

conclusion: i dont think they need any update anytime soon. they have a good synergy with [card]fenrath[/card], [card]brutus[/card] and [card]wild[/card] and offer a challenging fight without reaching OPness

zil dagger deck

-[card]zil the living shadow[/card] is NOT a must-have to run a succesful dagger deck
-good synergy between characters, fast and high damage with the option to kill out-off combat chars
-requires a lot of expensive cards to reach a good winning rate

conclusion: being one of the first 'new' legendaries zil himself seems a bit weak... his ability to copy the first zil card played by him is seldom deciding the outcome of a fight since he is most likly dying in his 2nd turn. the combos in between the chars are quite useful and make the deck run pretty fast if undisturbed. i would say they reach a good rate against any non-legendary deck but wont be able to stand up eye-to-eye once another legend is involved.

zil discard

-did lots of harm to the reputation of the guild
-one of the most hated... if not the most hated decktype
-lots of different setups are possible including high-cost versions with [card]ishaia[/card], [card]n'taba[/card], [card]veraz[/card], [card]marlok[/card], [card]the psychurgist[/card], [card]abyssian[/card]
-very succesful deck even though it will never hit a perfect
-absolutely able to beat everything short of a 50 card deck and even then it just depends on the type of discard you are playing

conclusion: the most controversal deck ever to be played in eredan should not(!) get another chance to rise to the top. its users are still suffering lots of hate and loads of frustration by their opponents who think that someone ripped them of the chance for a fair fight. a well build discard deck is still able to reach very high in elo and thus i dont think they need any other card to help them

what i would like to see in next zil update(s):
-something to make the legendary zil worth being used and able to compete with other legends
-a place for aberration
-a completely new direction for zil players which subscribes their reputation of thiefs and meanies

EDIT: please note that these are my very personal opinions about zil decks

Dernière modification par Calandra (07-10-2012 13:07:00)

hotfoot · 07-10-2012 18:08:14

Man, everybody better get their [card]Aberration[/card] now while he's cheap. The ONLY thing keeping him from costing more than ABOM is that he doesn't have a place in zil. Once he does his price will DOUBLE!

catcatcat · 07-10-2012 19:05:04

I would like to see some game play for the marauder members of The Pack. Possibly a character that brings a The Howls into play right away (similar to Pilferess and Butterfly Collar).

DaRkStAr666 · 07-10-2012 20:55:29

A deck for maro/warrior shadow guemelites would be great

Shadoww · 07-10-2012 21:50:35

It goes in all directions ^^

Maro Guemelites ([card]Shadow[/card], [card]Farouche[/card]...)
[card]Aberration[/card]
Discard (Sorry for the players who hate it, but it's just a different way to win... ) need just a little up, just little Try to beat [card]Ourenos[/card] with discrad x)
The pack ONLY Maro
New direction : [card]Subtilisation[/card], and Thieves
And the Zil full DD need a big up, to justify his price =/

Dernière modification par Shadoww (07-10-2012 21:51:22)

MerlinCross · 07-10-2012 22:03:01

Calandra a écrit :

the pack:
-as my deck is just half-finished i can only say what i ve seen so far... they are hard but beatable
-knowing their mechanisms makes them vurnerable... easy to predict and less harmfull once fenrath is down.
-they offer a good and interesting fight at nearly all times
conclusion: i dont think they need any update anytime soon. they have a good synergy with [card]fenrath[/card], [card]brutus[/card] and [card]wild[/card] and offer a challenging fight without reaching OPness
EDIT: please note that these are my very personal opinions about zil decks

Hmm then note that this is my very personal opinion.

I think Pack is one of the most OP decks in the game. Second to Discard, but we can't really count them. Discard is OP in every deck based card game, or at least annoying.

Hits hard, heals well, and tanks well. Really I don't see a downside to the Neo Pack. Thus I really don't want them getting buffed anytime soon. Unless they make a Marauder subsection of them and bring back Bloodsword and Dark.

IronMask · 10-10-2012 11:34:15

for the discard deck, a permanent card that increase the maximum cards in the hand of the opponent would be great, especially if it's power increase according to the number of cards in the opponent deck. Something like:
The opponent draw X addictional card each turn, where X = number of cards in opponent deck when this card was played : 15 (rounded up) -1

Dernière modification par IronMask (10-10-2012 11:35:46)

TheRainMan · 10-10-2012 17:01:51

Discard (Sorry for the players who hate it, but it's just a different way to win... ) need just a little up, just little smile Try to beat Ourenos with discrad x)

Just play the new courtisan discard and you win easily, since urenos/sap dont have alot für defense reduce

And yes, zil discard really needs a buff becaue they cant win vs >>> one <<< deck.

Wolvos · 10-10-2012 17:59:28

Shadoww a écrit :

Try to beat [card]Ourenos[/card] with discrad x)

lol, you want to beat the best deck with discard lol

Shadoww · 10-10-2012 18:59:15

I'ts just an Exemple But, without the Legendaries, with Alyce /ZAbyssien the Devourer and Co, It's very hard vs aggro Deck =/

Calandra · 10-10-2012 19:01:08

Shadoww a écrit :

I'ts just an Exemple But, without the Legendaries, with Alyce /ZAbyssien the Devourer and Co, It's very hard vs aggro Deck =/

hard but doable... dont make it again like discard wins against whatever with ease... i m telling you this is not helping the reputation of the guild...

Stormholt · 10-10-2012 19:02:04

I dont like them, but i am really missing the Old and Good Discart deck... The game became so much POWER POWER POWER!, discart is a nice controll, and the discart courtesain was Meh, the real discart master are the circus guys

rutse · 10-10-2012 19:24:25

Shadoww a écrit :

Try to beat [card]Ourenos[/card] with discrad x)
The pack ONLY Maro

BTW, try to beat Ourenos with ANY DECK you want xD

I'd like to see a new warrior deck with Aberration, IMO discard should NOT be updated this makes the game pretty boring, they just need something to help killing and play less cowardly.

Suspicious of Treason is too retarded, it should be limited or works only against the next opposing card.

Besides Aberration, I'd like to see something related to thieves, like something that steals a card from opponent's deck or discard pile.

Santuros · 10-10-2012 19:28:09

I dont think they should give aberration cards to be played, he is too powerful already, giving him good cards will make the game against him boring.

They should focus on more control, circus and priest. I would like to see discard cards like the curse of Ajai when the opponent is forced to make a desicion and not directly discard 3 cards.

Dernière modification par Santuros (10-10-2012 19:29:11)

Caitlyn · 16-10-2012 15:13:13

maybe a new playstyle? an improved dagger master perhaps?

Neja.Persot.Spy · 16-10-2012 15:22:23

2 Razor blade on out of combat character with Saphyra, Stirring up hatred active can deal 9 direct damage from dagger master.

Teremune · 17-10-2012 06:38:48

rutse a écrit :

Shadoww a écrit :
Try to beat [card]Ourenos[/card] with discrad x)
The pack ONLY Maro
BTW, try to beat Ourenos with ANY DECK you want xD

I'd like to see a new warrior deck with Aberration, IMO discard should NOT be updated this makes the game pretty boring, they just need something to help killing and play less cowardly.

Suspicious of Treason is too retarded, it should be limited or works only against the next opposing card.

Besides Aberration, I'd like to see something related to thieves, like something that steals a card from opponent's deck or discard pile.

[card]Mimicry[/card] takes card from opponent's discard pile. but I get what you're saying...I like using [card]Steal[/card] myself but it doesn't help so much these days as most gear is guild related and unless you're same guild it will be useless. I would like to see more dynamic gameplay myself, getting tired of cookie cutter OP Oreo or nehant undead/deny decks, I like to play around with my cards and try things...I don't see to many people do that these days, people just want to win not use their brain so much that's why people run so much now when their strategy doesn't work they are at a loss and brain overheats or something...or they get scared of thinking...and hit that x button in the corner.

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