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Ikuyal · 28-04-2012 10:43:25

MaijinGon a écrit :

There shuld be just option to buy that king like other trophies, it's not hard i'ts immposible , and not because hes immposible to beat, I dont have nehantis corruption deck neither nomad marauders, even if I wish to sell some avalonians swords or icy rusty hand's from mine decks and buy nehantis deck, I can't because when quest popping up that needs certain deck/cards to do this , they're just dissapearing from shop, so if I can't get cards needed to beat him then this quest is officialy immposible to finish

you can blame that on the market system,
due to the price limit,
some cards that are valuable to players can only sell at a terribly bad price.
so people choose not to sell them.

that's why you cannot find <burning life>or<burning soul>
<demonic portal> <demon may rise> <double clay> .....on the market.

I suggested Eredan to recover the market back the market with no price limit(free market) many times.
but they don't even listen a word.
and the upper price limit keeps going down. (sign....
poor eredan players....

Zurga · 28-04-2012 10:50:47

Ikuyal a écrit :

that's why you cannot find <burning life>or<burning soul>
<demonic portal> <demon may rise> <double clay> .....on the market.
I suggested Eredan to recover the market back the market with no price limit(free market) many times.
but they don't even listen a word.
and the upper price limit keeps going down. (sign....
poor eredan players....

The real reason is that anyone wants them actually with this campaign.
There was a lot of Icy Elf cards last Wenesday. no more actually, not a problem of price, just a problem of high demand in short time.

The upper price limit is there to avoid multi-account to transfer crystals.
Before this price limit, the European night market was a multi-account sell with a lot of 1M bullshit cards.
And surprisingly, all the amaya level 2 1Million cards was sold....

Ikuyal · 28-04-2012 11:48:48

Zurga a écrit :

Ikuyal a écrit :
that's why you cannot find <burning life>or<burning soul>
<demonic portal> <demon may rise> <double clay> .....on the market.
I suggested Eredan to recover the market back the market with no price limit(free market) many times.
but they don't even listen a word.
and the upper price limit keeps going down. (sign....
poor eredan players....
The real reason is that anyone wants them actually with this campaign.
There was a lot of Icy Elf cards last Wenesday. no more actually, not a problem of price, just a problem of high demand in short time.
The upper price limit is there to avoid multi-account to transfer crystals.
Before this price limit, the European night market was a multi-account sell with a lot of 1M bullshit cards.
And surprisingly, all the amaya level 2 1Million cards was sold....

how about <the art of tracking> <double clay>
<clumsiness> <heartrending dilemma>

I cannot name them all out.

just want to say that price limit do nothing good
only reduces players' cards value.
while all the upper limit keeps going down,
means you have to sell them now or them will become
priceless.
then who would like to own those cards?

if one day you found your <Ishaia> can only sell for 50000, would you sell it? no!

if you want to avoid multi-account to transfer crystals
there are other ways to do it, without price limit

a market without price limit is nothing wrong.
you sell cards at price whenever you want.
and buyer can choose whether to buy or not.

if you once study economic science
you should know that setting upper or lower price limit only produce excess burden, which only harm the market.

I say that the way eredan now setting a low price limit to most of the cards, is like taking our property compulsively and needless to compensate.

Ikuyal · 28-04-2012 11:53:20

I just want to tell everyone that if you don't respect
your own rights, don't fight or speak out for your own good, letting eredan to do whatever they want, your property would somehow become less and less until someday you found it.

Edit moderation : No need to quote everything just in the following message.

Dernière modification par Zurga (28-04-2012 12:06:08)

Zurga · 28-04-2012 12:05:15

Just to say that you should read carefully the term of services.
You are never owner of your cards : they always remain property of Feerik.

Once you said that, we can discuss about the market but it is not the place (open a new thread for that).
And for your information, there was a lower limit. It has been removed.
And the upper limit raise if there is no sell on the market, if the price do not raise, this mean that some user sell at this price.

Ikuyal · 28-04-2012 12:21:57

Zurga a écrit :

Just to say that you should read carefully the term of services.
You are never owner of your cards : they always remain property of Feerik.
Once you said that, we can discuss about the market but it is not the place (open a new thread for that).
And for your information, there was a lower limit. It has been removed.
And the upper limit raise if there is no sell on the market, if the price do not raise, this mean that some user sell at this price.

oh that's kind of bullshit
you probably don't know the market very much
I am talking about the upper limit

example1
I can sell <fog hydra> lv2 at 46000 on 4/26
but yesterday the upper limit was drop to 20000 max
how could a upper limit drop so fast?

example2
<the art of tracking> is disappeared from the market for at least 2 weeks.
I believe this card worth more than 10000
but can only sell at 500 now
you said that <the upper limit raise if there is no sell on the market>, oh really?
<the art of tracking>can sell 380 when <kotori> released 3 weeks ago.
and now for 500.

does the upper limit raise help? bullshit
without a unrestricted market, nothing help.

Ikuyal · 28-04-2012 12:29:21

Zurga a écrit :

Just to say that you should read carefully the term of services.
You are never owner of your cards : they always remain property of Feerik.

We are not the owner of the cards we bought?
how mean could Eredan be?
if we don't own the cards, why do player spend money on purchasing boosters?
any good reason?
or are all the players got cheated?

Zurga · 28-04-2012 13:40:34

I have split the topic to leave the other on the campaign topic.

I believe I know a lot more than you on the market.
And you seem not know how the average price nd the upper limit works.

Level 2 cards are quite rare on market : you sell a level 1 or level 3 cards, almost never a level 2 card.
The Fog Hydra level 2 is de facto a bad example.
Anyway, on 4/26 the max limit was 46000, but you don't say anything about the average price ? If the average is 20 000, this means that it was some time since a sell occurs on this card, so the standard max percentage of 30% has been raise each day from the 20 000 limit to the 46 000 you noticed.
Next day, someone, somewhere, sell the card, the average price move accordingly to the selling price and the upper limit goes back to the 30% of the average price limit.
Down to 20 000 or something like that.
This how the market works.

Why Art of the tracking is so low ? Only because there is each day some sell, not a big number, but if there is a sell, the limit price don't change.
For you information, since Kotori Kage has been released, I was able to buy 4 of these cards on the market.
So there is such cards, not a big number but sufficient number to be sure that the price stay around his 350cx standard price.

Clumsiness is a card very much in demand, this card can be put in any deck. And this card never had the "new comers effect". So there is not a lot of such card on the game on on the market.

Never forget also that the possibility to sell on the market is limited to 3 weeks after a purchase of Feez or after the purchase of a booster. The free players can buy cards on market but never sell them.
High demand, small number of seller, small number of cards on market, these lead to shortage.
I have some knowledge about markets mechanisms and economics, totally free market is not always a good thing, it really depends on the supply and on the demand.
When someone can put himself in a monopolistic situation, limits prices are good things.
When a market is so small that the standard supply/demand mechanism can't regulate correctly the market, limit price is a good thing.

For the ownership of the cards :
http://forum.eredan.com/viewtopic.php?id=11225
Especially the second paragraph about property and ownership.
You are owner of nothing.
You spend money on your only will and not for ownership but for pleasure.
When you spend money for ticket of cinema, you are not owner of the film you see.
Never believe that you can sell your Eredan account on ebay, this is forbidden by the rules.
Each time something like this occurs, the account is cancelled immediately.
Leaving the seller and the buyer with nothing to play except business relation and money exchanged for wind...

Ikuyal · 06-06-2012 17:19:43

the new PVE character Satsume reveal the sickness of marketplace that I point out long time ago.

you can see, the art of track had been disappear for a long time.

I had 2 copies of it a month ago, and still 2 right now even I always check it on the marketplace.

no doubt that all the players would think Satsume is a joke, and actually, I think the market system is the joke.

feerik has reason for this: the market system is build to avoid multi-account player to transfer the crystal.

I have to the that it's all bullshit.

even now I still know people transfer their crystal by other way. the marketplace ......is totally a joke.

wake up feerik, don't be a joke anymore.

(if the market go back that people sell card at any price they want, all problem would be solved.)

Stormholt · 06-06-2012 18:07:16

Ikuyal a écrit :

the new PVE character Satsume reveal the sickness of marketplace that I point out long time ago.
you can see, the art of track had been disappear for a long time.
I had 2 copies of it a month ago, and still 2 right now even I always check it on the marketplace.
no doubt that all the players would think Satsume is a joke, and actually, I think the market system is the joke.
feerik has reason for this: the market system is build to avoid multi-account player to transfer the crystal.
I have to the that it's all bullshit.
even now I still know people transfer their crystal by other way. the marketplace ......is totally a joke.
wake up feerik, don't be a joke anymore.
(if the market go back that people sell card at any price they want, all problem would be solved.)

+1, this is a silly joke, and there's a lot of people who transfer crystal and cards, this market is not fixed, never will be, the right thing to do, is to Enable changes between the players, i see no bad thing on it... While there is a market, there will be exchanges...The best thing is to not take things that players already do, because they find a way to make it.

Dernière modification par Stormholt (06-06-2012 18:09:25)

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#1 28-04-2012 10:43:25

Market issue

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