I mean, even before their new support Time Mix screwed with discard. Their new support just makes them better. Now they hit you with Aging/Celerity and finish off with some Heartrending Dilemma. It's just how it goes. Some decks go up, others go down. Remember when Witchblades were the shiz and you couldn't walk three steps without facing one? Yeah, kinda like that.

Also, LOL at a Discard player QQing. Makes my heart sing.

Ballack · 16-03-2012 18:45:51

Ryken a écrit :

Ballack a écrit :
Yes, this is a QQ post, but I must say it, since the new card that advances 4 turns... I only face fucking Temps decks, which i win 50/50 so it piss me off.
I play with priest discard (pysco, kriss, the ethernal) there is any way, good card to fuck tempus?
No. Not really.
I mean, even before their new support Time Mix screwed with discard. Their new support just makes them better. Now they hit you with Aging/Celerity and finish off with some Heartrending Dilemma. It's just how it goes. Some decks go up, others go down. Remember when Witchblades were the shiz and you couldn't walk three steps without facing one? Yeah, kinda like that.
Also, LOL at a Discard player QQing. Makes my heart sing.

Hahah yeah, kinda fun to see a discard player QQing, actualy with S.A.R.A.H, time mix, ANS... Being a Discard player is such a brave thing! xD

Btw, whats the name of the card that allows you to ingore the next spell played by the opositing char?

Ballack · 16-03-2012 18:52:10

Also, as a card to counter tempus, [card]Mental prison[/card] should work well!

Ryken · 16-03-2012 19:20:44

Ballack a écrit :

Also, as a card to counter tempus, [card]Mental prison[/card] should work well!

Unless they play Celerity.

Stormholt · 16-03-2012 19:37:21

I think that neant mages whit Demon may raise+Demoniac portal,could take care of celeritys,and the dark stone heart take care of the magic stuff

UIA · 16-03-2012 19:59:58

Ballack a écrit :

Btw, whats the name of the card that allows you to ingore the next spell played by the opositing char?

[card]magic shield[/card] I forget the name of the 1st upgrade for it though

GGuti · 16-03-2012 21:11:09

UIA a écrit :

Ballack a écrit :
Btw, whats the name of the card that allows you to ingore the next spell played by the opositing char?
[card]magic shield[/card] I forget the name of the 1st upgrade for it though

[card]Counterspell[/card]

Wolvos · 16-03-2012 23:01:32

prestige isnt the answer in discard decks?
if u remove aging/celerity they cant win

Dernière modification par Wolvos (16-03-2012 23:02:06)

Ryken · 17-03-2012 02:10:04

Wolvos a écrit :

prestige isnt the answer in discard decks?
if u remove aging/celerity they cant win

Heartrending Dilemma can snipe you too, you know.

Also, The Prestige is, what? 200k+ crystals? Good luck.

MrLordi92 · 17-03-2012 06:58:25

Ryken a écrit :

Wolvos a écrit :
prestige isnt the answer in discard decks?
if u remove aging/celerity they cant win
Heartrending Dilemma can snipe you too, you know.
Also, The Prestige is, what? 200k+ crystals? Good luck.

Not to mention it's unique, and there's at least three different cards that kill in Tempus. Last time I checked Prestige only took all of one of them.

Burghi · 19-03-2012 03:50:47

just for knowledge, can anyone post a sample list of this tempus deck?

Bmyarne · 19-03-2012 06:40:50

Burghi a écrit :

just for knowledge, can anyone post a sample list of this tempus deck?

N0 just for the simple fact that this deck should / will be nerfed in near future, so we don't need more of em running around. Your voodoo mind tricks reverse pyschology mumble jumble won't work.

magius · 19-03-2012 09:41:24

I have tested the new Tempus myself. Having tried and test it against different decks, Tempus is now very very good versus slow, setup decks (assassinating Ishaia is great!). And if the opponent mistakenly chose Doloreann at the very beginning, even better.

However, it is inherently weak versus aggressive decks such as Pirate Marauders, Noz Blast, Nehant Marauder-Hand Denial decks, Eclipse, etc. Pirate Marauders will shred this deck to bits with Stink Bomb and Nawhal. And like the previous posts, there are specific counters already (Dark Stone Heart, Demon May Rise). So I would say Nehant, Noz and Pirates have the best chance versus Tempus.

And also Tempus is also prone to starting hand. If you don't have Dilemma in the first few turns, you are essentially screwed by mid-tempo decks.

So, in short, Tempus is powerful and now able to at least go into ELO but I don't think it will reach very high due to its inherent weakness. And I have tried and tested the deck to prove it. I believe people who cry foul against this Tempus most likely play a mid to end-game decks.

P/S I'm a discard player too (well I played variety of decks) and yeah got beaten to pulp by Tempus.

P/S See the French Forum for a "Neo" Tempus decklist. I ran a non-legendary version and possibly the most Tempus caste-oriented deck (there are no non-Tempus cards).

Dernière modification par magius (19-03-2012 12:58:57)

kilcosu · 20-03-2012 12:59:26

I play afew different decks, one of them being tempus, and ice elves are also a very good deck against tempus. getting to chain frozen soul, amethyst blizzard, and then attacking for a grand total of an average 17 damage on the first turn? yeah ok, and people say that tempus are OP now that they added a new card that is mostly used as a setup card. I say setup because its barely better than aging with the stipulation that you have to discard your entire hand for a whopping 2 damage more wich in fact is..... A HEARTRENDING DILEMMA

kilcosu · 20-03-2012 13:15:12

and on the note of it getting nerfed (due to people crying too much) I honestly hope that they do not add the whole 0-? effect because tempus aleady get screwed on those way too often.

if anything i would reduce the effect of the turn counter by 1 or 2 (btw you have to have less than 4 cards in hand for the effect meaning chain or doloreann is needed).

and the damage effect is pretty much fine since its the only card youll be playing that turn since it requires you to discard 4 cards, if you dont have 4 card to discard then there simply wont be damage dealt and you have a dead doloreann because you chose to discard that turn lol

Bmyarne · 20-03-2012 13:47:20

Its not that its the factor of having Doloreann casting double dilemma with her discard effect and advancing to making counter +10. Throwing the game off balance.

magius · 20-03-2012 15:04:37

Bmyarne a écrit :

Its not that its the factor of having Doloreann casting double dilemma with her discard effect and advancing to making counter +10. Throwing the game off balance.

That would be a Tempus-God-Hand. To be honest, I rarely get that combination when I was testing it. Here are the factors:

1) Doloreann MUST start first or opponent mistakenly chose her and discards 2 cards (and those cards must not be Aging/Celerity).

2) You MUST have 2 Dilemma in starting hand.

3) AND you MUST have at least Aging/Celerity on your current/next draw. That does not mean you can OS a character yet.

4) AND in order to OS a character, you need to have at least 2 Aging (I am assuming your opponent has some Spirit, if not just 1 will do) next turn. Or 1 Celerity + The Eternal.

My statistics might be rusty but I'll try to attempt probability calculation anyway. To get Tempus-God-Hand probability:

1) If you get to start first: (1/2)*(3/20)*(2/19)*100% = 0.789%

2) If opponent starts and accidentally select Doloreann: (1/3)*(3/20)*(2/19)*100% = 0.526%

3) Combined Probability of 1.315%

To get 2 Aging (you can't chain Celerity to OS character) on the next turn (ignoring whether you get Tempus-God-Hand or not): (3/15)*(2/14)*100% = 2.857%

But you can only OS a character if you have a Tempus-God-Hand (and after you played 2 Dilemma): (0.01315)*(3/15)*(2/14)*100% = 0.0375%

And for that 0.0375% of Tempus-God-Hand-OS-1-Character-Next-Turn should they nerf Dilemma? Well, I personally don't think so as there are other decks that can OS within turn 1 (Hello Noz Blast, etc.).

Doloreann improve that odds slightly if she starts first (only because she drew 1 additional card from the deck).

I can do the calculation for Celerity+The Eternal for OS 1 character next turn but I'm just too lazy for now.

NOTE: As the turn progresses by, Tempus will get pounded by mid-to-ultra aggressive decks.

To be honest, any decks will occasionally have a God-Hand and they will OS a character within first turn regardless of what the opponent does. Just because Tempus has alternate ability to deal damage doesn't make it OP. There are plenty of other decks that are powerful as well. Perhaps Tempus are just cheaper to make that's all and do not require legendary cards as much.

P/S I take back my statement that I've made previously about Tempus after playtesting it.

Dernière modification par magius (20-03-2012 15:42:02)

Bmyarne · 20-03-2012 17:33:02

I must play the lottery after your statement for the luck ive been having. 4/5 games ive played got said set up in first 3 turns for clean sweep in turns to follow. Along with the tool box card laying within time mix to return my aging i discarded and having 3 copies of each celerity and aging with illumination odds of this happening is realalistic. It does have a weakness to discard decks if you get out burned. But most always against most decks leaving you win the game with an outrageously high score much like how port stacking was back in the day.

magius · 20-03-2012 20:00:00

Bmyarne a écrit :

I must play the lottery after your statement for the luck ive been having. 4/5 games ive played got said set up in first 3 turns for clean sweep in turns to follow. Along with the tool box card laying within time mix to return my aging i discarded and having 3 copies of each celerity and aging with illumination odds of this happening is realalistic. It does have a weakness to discard decks if you get out burned. But most always against most decks leaving you win the game with an outrageously high score much like how port stacking was back in the day.

Well I only got it about 3-4 times when I was levelling Doloreann from Level 1 to 3 . Its all about luck. I'm just stating the probability

kilcosu · 20-03-2012 22:23:53

not to mention your probably starting on turn 2 with tempus timelord
but i assume that was already factored in.

but honestly if you go for a OS everytime youll find yourself getting killed as well as your opponent, thats why it is necessary to play cards like timeblast and area control, otherwise its just a race to do as much damage as possible and that is just simply not what tempus are good at lol

magius · 20-03-2012 23:38:25

kilcosu a écrit :

not to mention your probably starting on turn 2 with tempus timelord
but i assume that was already factored in.
but honestly if you go for a OS everytime youll find yourself getting killed as well as your opponent, thats why it is necessary to play cards like timeblast and area control, otherwise its just a race to do as much damage as possible and that is just simply not what tempus are good at lol

I did with my playtest. 3 Time Blast and 3 Area Control to be exact. And if you do not draw Dilemma within the first 2 turns, you will find that Tempus will be overwhelmed.

P/S just killed the new Tempus deck with my Eclipse XD And yes, the opponent did not see their Dilemma within the first few turns and I have my TTD+Harshness ready.

Dernière modification par magius (20-03-2012 23:39:04)

kilcosu · 21-03-2012 02:51:01

overall i would say that tempest just caught up to everyone else in the elo room, my best guess is that there is alot of hype over them now because EVERYONE is crying about the only two cards they got in the release. in a few weeks the hype will be gone and people will move on to different deck strategies.

dilemma or doloreann will probably be nerfed and tempest will most likely not survive in elo again so no one has to worry about that, just give it time.

magius · 21-03-2012 07:46:06

kilcosu a écrit :

overall i would say that tempest just caught up to everyone else in the elo room, my best guess is that there is alot of hype over them now because EVERYONE is crying about the only two cards they got in the release. in a few weeks the hype will be gone and people will move on to different deck strategies.
dilemma or doloreann will probably be nerfed and tempest will most likely not survive in elo again so no one has to worry about that, just give it time.

Now this is where I disagree with the nerf after the playtest experiment. Tempus is finally powerful yes but not unbeatable and frankly still quite prone to failure if you don't have Dilemma in your starting hand or at least the early turns.

Again encountered another Tempus when I'm levelling my Eclipse for Supernova. Obesity is my friend in this match. That and I manage to kill off Doloreann with Harshness + Noun-ta. So they are not really unbeatable.

Look back at the age before the nerf. Sap heart multi race and Eclipse can OS a character within the first turn and survive to finish off all of the opposition within few turns after that. I don't see this new Tempus able to OS a character within first round without the need to sacrifice turns to setup the turn counter.

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Rokzz · 21-03-2012 09:33:24

kilcosu a écrit :

overall i would say that tempest just caught up to everyone else in the elo room, my best guess is that there is alot of hype over them now because EVERYONE is crying about the only two cards they got in the release. in a few weeks the hype will be gone and people will move on to different deck strategies.
dilemma or doloreann will probably be nerfed and tempest will most likely not survive in elo again so no one has to worry about that, just give it time.

There's no need to nerf dilemma or doloreann...
-The prestige
-Obesity as a counter for an incoming celerity
-Harshness with nomads, a well played dazzle (or just fast killing eclipse)...
-Hand-control nehant decks
-Good discard decks (and some luck)
-Ectasy nehants + [card]Storm[/card]
-Even a Sap Heart multirace with Pilferess... get iniciative, choose the character with butterfly collar (if it's rargnor even better), add some atk and quickdraw or lower the opponent def... boom D: moreover, at the second battle Silikat would be already able to use her double-attack ability :true story:
-And probably the worse.. no dilemmas on first turns

i mean.. they're strong and annoying.. i agree, but not unbeatable and since they have to "sacrifice" few battles to accumulate turns, hard hitting decks give'em many trouble.. so nerfing those cards will end up with Tempus decks on trash D:

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