Eredan's World

Anihilate · 18-10-2011 04:45:08

Okay, I don't know how long most of you have been playing. But when this game started, it was truly balanced (Aside Noz Mages being OP) and everything in the market aside legendaries rarely went over 30k.

So, you can all cry and petition about how it isn't fair that you bought an RoD for 90k, and how it won't be worth half of that soon, but, when I started playing this game, RoD was worth 14k.

Sorry to all of the new paying players who had it on easy street, but, playing games, earning crystals, used to actually mean something, grinding, used to actually mean something.

I'm sorry if I can't agree that this is "Terrible" when, in fact, it's just the check that this game has always lacked to even the playing field.

In short. Paying players can get as much as they afford, they might not be able to get the exact thing they want, but, IT IS A TRADING CARD GAME.

Players who work on nothing, actually have something to look forward to, granted, it will always be hard for a free player on ANY game that you can pay for extra in.

The Free players market is one sided, they can only spend crystals, the paying player will get nothing but a gain in crystals when they sell their cards, especially now that rares can't be sold at less than 5k, and the shop will give you 1.2k for it.

They eliminated truly dead draws, because even crap rares will net you 1k+

Crystals will be worth more, because a salesman's offer has no wiggle room anymore, and every transaction needs to count.

Entertainment isn't free. It costs time, money, or both, you're acting like someone is sticking a gun down your throat and telling you to buy something, no.

The prices everyone is used to are INFLATED, and it's about time they come down.
I'm probably the oldest member of the English Forums now that Glasher and Dantesan are gone. I WAS HERE WHEN DANTESAN FIRST GOT THE MOD SPOT....

So Shush up ya caknuckle heads, it's a game, you're not going to make any real money off of it, so have fun until your time here is done.

K,thanks
Your resident Crazy old-timer
Anni~<3

jackal19 · 18-10-2011 05:42:54

I cant believe this 30% but im sorta agreeing because no more insane prices and also the cards will drop in price as long as they're not sold so this 30% shit aint that half bad but we have to wait to see how it works out

Calandra · 18-10-2011 10:44:59

i just would like to mention that it is somehow natural if a thing like eredan is a newborn its players wont be billionaires from day#1 so its actually quite understandable that a Rain of Death was sold for far less then it is nowadays.

i can just speak for myself in this matter anyways... i have a couple of decks... all are still improvable but i m able to make at least a 50% win quote with most of them.... so far my idea was to wait for a boosterprice reduction and then buy some hoping for legends... of course i sold the cards i wont need and wont like to build a deck with... the crystals i got from this went straight into the cards i really wanted!

again i would like to note that i m just speaking for myself(!)... with the marketfees being increased that much and still having the old prices in mind i feel like i should add the 30% on my offer in the first place to get the amount of crystals the card was worth in my opinion or... which is what i m doing now... i wont sell the cards anymore... if i lose 10k while selling a desert scimitar for 30k i m just thinking that it is too much...

i admit that i dont understand much of economics... i dont see it yet that the prices of like solaris or stuff would drop to an amount i could afford them but i m willing to wait it out... my personal opinion is that most ppl will just try the same and sit down and watch whats happening next...

Anihilate · 18-10-2011 12:38:47

That's the point though.

The only reason card prices are this high, is because people like to hoard digital money. The only reason RoD, or anything else, costs so damn much is because there are people with hundreds of thousands of crystals to spend on one card.

Propose an end to greed, and the greedy shall shun it XD

Also, apparently the min price is adjusted per level.

Level 1 rare is min 5k

Level 2 Rare character is min 30k

Level 3 Rare character is 55k

I should know, because Fog Hyrdra doesn't sell like that, but his min listing price is still 30k for level 2, and 55k for level 3.

Feerik is meriting those who grind more than anyone right now lol

Dernière modification par Anihilate (18-10-2011 13:05:09)

Paladino.:RR:. · 18-10-2011 13:05:40

Sorry Anihilate, I agree that something has to be done about the monopoly that was happening in the market and the speculations, but what they did, instead of trying to find a solution they just taxed everyone. That is not a solution.

People say price will drop, but my income from buying booster, selling daily mission cards will also drop. Will we get a permanent discount on the booster, or increase of feez to compesate it? Or we just gona get ripped of 20% of the value of our boosters.

I understand feerik logic that, I will have less crystal, but they will be worth more, but I dont belive it will so simple, I feel like, those who alredy have spent money in the game will see the value of their account dropping, while those who start spending now will be alredy working on the idea of less crystals with higher value...

I understand as feerik wanted to increase the value won in gridding crystalsby reducing cards prices, but they did in such a radical way with the 30% tax that they removed the value of bought crystals. Fix something by broking another is not a solution. I agree with min/max value that rises/drops with the amount of cards sold, but there was no reason to do it, also the automatic selling of cards that was a thing mostly expectaded is laughable.

Beside they did not explain the amount of cards limits, I mean I cant have more than 10 units of a card, but I alredy some commom I had 11, 13 on my collection, it means I cant buy more of the same on the market, or that if I buy a booster I wont get more of them? Or they will be automatic sold? What if I want to save number of cards to get the trophys?

Dernière modification par Paladino.:RR:. (18-10-2011 13:17:26)

Lyquid · 18-10-2011 13:16:36

jackal19 a écrit :

I cant believe this 30% but im sorta agreeing because no more insane prices and also the cards will drop in price as long as they're not sold so this 30% shit aint that half bad but we have to wait to see how it works out

+1

When the news came out, I just sat there in disbelief because of the freaking 30%. But I gave it a lot of thought and as much as it hurts, I think it's kinda' going to help the market FOR A WHILE. Maybe we just have to give it some time for us to experience how the rates will drop and benefit a lot of players.

jackal19 · 18-10-2011 13:24:17

Lyquid a écrit :

jackal19 a écrit :
I cant believe this 30% but im sorta agreeing because no more insane prices and also the cards will drop in price as long as they're not sold so this 30% shit aint that half bad but we have to wait to see how it works out
+1
When the news came out, I just sat there in disbelief because of the freaking 30%. But I gave it a lot of thought and as much as it hurts, I think it's kinda' going to help the market FOR A WHILE. Maybe we just have to give it some time for us to experience how the rates will drop and benefit a lot of players.

Stop corporate greed XD

Lyquid · 18-10-2011 13:46:33

jackal19 a écrit :

Stop corporate greed XD

I told my peers that if after posting the 30% news is really devastating to ALL players and there will be scarcity of cards in the market, that would had been a very clear sign of disappointment on the player's parts and perhaps a sign of protest in some way.

But after an hour from the announcement, the Market was back up, with a lot of cards on sale. I guess some players out there are also giving this a chance believing this may work, if not, silently supporting the idea.

I still believe the 30% is way too high. But will it stay that way? We don't know. For all intents and purposes, this may lower gradually as the market improves itself. But we won't see this overnight, will we?

Dernière modification par Lyquid (18-10-2011 13:49:53)

jackal19 · 18-10-2011 13:51:17

Lyquid a écrit :

jackal19 a écrit :
Stop corporate greed XD
I told my peers that if after posting the 30% news is really devastating to ALL players and there will be scarcity of cards in the market, that would had been a very clear sign of disappointment on the player's parts and perhaps a sign of protest in some way.
But after an hour from the announcement, the Market was back up, with a lot of cards on sale. I guess some players out there are also giving this a chance believing this may work, if not, silently supporting the idea.
I still believe the 30% is way too high. But will it stay that way? We don't know. For all intents and purposes, this may lower gradually as the market improves itself. But we won't see this overnight, will we?

i mean player corporate greed XD

Lyquid · 18-10-2011 13:59:48

jackal19 a écrit :

i mean player corporate greed XD

+1

I like the idea that if cards are not bought due to high prices because players believe they should be sold at a lower price, the price bracket will adjust itself and eventually force sellers to drop their prices. I've played for almost a year and it really is painstaking to play and earn crystals for almost an entire month just to buy 1 single card. All that effort for just 1 single card.

When a new card comes out, some sell at a starting price of 50K. That's a lot. Most players can't afford that and a lot of sellers held on to that price. In due time, the price went down by increments of 10K until it became stable between 9K to 15K for a while. If it was sold at an earlier time for maybe 20-25K, the seller would had gotten a good deal. Instead, they had to settle for 10K profit, losing the additional 15K.

This is what's projected to happen in the market. With overpriced cards and no players buying, the price bracket will go down further helping small players out there.

Paladino.:RR:. · 18-10-2011 14:02:59

An easy way to counter the inflation without hurting all the player would be higher tax rate for high value.. for example 1-20k 10%, 21-100 15% 101-300-20% 300+ - 25%

I think it would work better than 30% for everything...

Lyquid · 18-10-2011 14:03:54

Agree. The tax bracket also adjusts itself. That's a very sound suggestion

Paladino.:RR:. · 18-10-2011 14:05:53

Yes, so if a card is value is getting to high, the increase of the tax will make the profit not so good, beside the amount of time it takes to sell, many people will sell cheaper, with a close amount of profit due to a lesse tax and you get the card sold faster.

jackal19 · 18-10-2011 14:07:28

Paladino.:RR:. a écrit :

Yes, so if a card is value is getting to high, the increase of the tax will make the profit not so good, beside the amount of time it takes to sell, many people will sell cheaper, with a close amount of profit due to a lesse tax and you get the card sold faster.

true true experiencing it myself i feel the sales are to slow now

Lyquid · 18-10-2011 14:08:44

Paladino.:RR:. a écrit :

Yes, so if a card is value is getting to high, the increase of the tax will make the profit not so good, beside the amount of time it takes to sell, many people will sell cheaper, with a close amount of profit due to a lesse tax and you get the card sold faster.

I hope Feerik is reading this. This is good input in making all of this a "win-win" situation.

Lulosaurio · 18-10-2011 16:31:31

Inflation isn't becausa 10% wasn't enough, its because every game played gives away at least 60 crystals.

Just halve the amount of crystals per game and you stop inflation without making almost every paying customer stop buying packs

Anihilate · 19-10-2011 00:45:37

Just logged into the game since yesterday.

69 Sales, 260k

I don't see much of a turn down in profit >.>

Edit: And I haven't sold anything of much value.
My Counselor Ish is still up.

-shrug-

I sold most of my cards at min value too, when min value was close, if not slightly under, their old marketplace price. Seems cards are moving quicker to me, would have taken me 3 weeks to sell all of that crap beforehand XD

Dernière modification par Anihilate (19-10-2011 00:49:12)

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