I'm not saying you can't use other decks. I personally use a small handful of decks for adventure mode but lets be honest, some decks are better than others versus different bosses. I personally feel that players should have a portal deck, a queen deck, an eclipse deck and prolly a couple others. Not because they have to use them of because they are so great but because they are handy for events. If you don't want to that's fine but for this event it's the cheapest nehantic deck that is good against multiple bosses. People insist because they really believe in the deck and legitimately want to help you despite what you seem to think.

Damncaster · 03-12-2012 00:48:36

***bip*** exagerating xDD Put some brain on it. i can farm adventure with different kinds of decks but its all about mastery.

MerlinCross · 03-12-2012 00:50:42

Zurga a écrit :

Try to do Kehperien with Portal, I'm just curious...
There is 4 decks to do almost all the bosses in Adventure mode :
- Portal
- IHAS
- Discard
- Queen Aelide / craftsmen
After that, this event show that others decks can achieve the job.

This event shows that people get lucky when it's the easiest boss in the game to beat. Why try to come up and experiment with decks when there's really only one answer, Portal. And how can I get to Kehperien when I don't have the cards (portal) to get to him/her/it.

Ellias a écrit :

I'm not saying you can't use other decks. I personally use a small handful of decks for adventure mode but lets be honest, some decks are better than others versus different bosses. I personally feel that players should have a portal deck, a queen deck, an eclipse deck and prolly a couple others. Not because they have to use them of because they are so great but because they are handy for events. If you don't want to that's fine but for this event it's the cheapest nehantic deck that is good against multiple bosses. People insist because they really believe in the deck and legitimately want to help you despite what you seem to think.

My complaint with adventure mode is the same.

Zurga, replying to one of my posts in a topic, said that adventure mode was made to have the players try out different decks to fight the different bosses. When just 4 decks breaks whatever balance that mode had, something has clearly gone wrong.

I once said that this game is grind heavy. Count with me the amount of decks you need. 4 at least for adventure mode. How quickly do you think one can make all 4 decks? Oh, and this isn't for actively pvping. Now this is so you can grind TO pvp.

And if Feerik knows, actively knows that their adventure mode is broken, I would not have expected them to make an event that rewards people that have those decks already!

You see, part of the cost of a card is the TIME needed to get the crystals. Even counting the daily missions it takes longer than a lot of people seem to think. You can be told what to by and use, but due to events like this lasting a week, you have a good chance of not getting the cards you need before it's over, UNLESS you already have them.

Really they shouldn't give out starter decks then. Should give out bareboned versions of the 4 decks then.

Damncaster a écrit :

***bip*** exagerating xDD Put some brain on it. i can farm adventure with different kinds of decks but its all about mastery.

If you would like then, I can give you the list of cards I have in one of my decks and go see if you can beat one.

Dernière modification par MerlinCross (03-12-2012 00:51:51)

TheRainMan · 03-12-2012 01:19:37

MerlinCross a écrit :

So it seems that the entire game mode is broken with one deck. For something made to be a puzzle based game mode, making players figure out what decks to use for each fight, why on earth would anyone not use Demon Portal decks.
"What about Queen/Golem Tank?" I dunno. Portal.
"What about discard?" Portal.
"My own idea?" Portal.
More I play and talk about adventure mode, more I think they failed on it.

ok, then do

- nomad boss
- dark tower bosses
- zil boss
- king of the hill
- arena
- tempus
- ursende

missions with a Portal deck. I really wanna see that. Show us.

Srsly guys...how about using your brain before posting such a nonsense?

Btw you forgot one, zurga, Dark Kaes. I only need him to farm all the bosses i want to

Dernière modification par TheRainMan (03-12-2012 01:20:42)

MerlinCross · 03-12-2012 01:25:54

TheRainMan a écrit :

ok, then do
- king of the hill
- arena

King of the hill doesn't count at all, as you need a tank deck to get anywhere with him. You probably can kill him once or twice with a portal deck but by sake of scoring high, it's impossible for any non tank deck to win there.

And Portal should work on Arena, I don't know what you're talking about. Turn him demon, swap attack values, win. That's what Portal does or am I missing something.

catcatcat · 03-12-2012 03:41:05

What is your deal? It's not like everyone is holding a gun to your head and telling you to make a portal deck. The deck is just super effective against many of the bosses from adventure mode. People are simply trying to give advice believe it or not. This isn't some scheme to trick you into getting a portal deck. There are several other decks that can beat the bosses that portal can beat but they're just really expensive by comparison.

MerlinCross · 03-12-2012 04:00:18

catcatcat a écrit :

What is your deal? It's not like everyone is holding a gun to your head and telling you to make a portal deck. The deck is just super effective against many of the bosses from adventure mode. People are simply trying to give advice believe it or not. This isn't some scheme to trick you into getting a portal deck. There are several other decks that can beat the bosses that portal can beat but they're just really expensive by comparison.

It's not like everyone is holding a gun to your head and telling you to make a portal deck.
The deck is just super effective against many of the bosses from adventure mode.

This isn't some scheme to trick you into getting a portal deck.
There are several other decks that can beat the bosses that portal can beat but they're just really expensive by comparison.

Oh the irony. True no one is forcing me by putting a gun to me head(god you love that saying I've noticed). But why build any other deck now?

All those crystals I spend making my Tsoutai deck, worthless. The time I put into making Marauder Pirates, wasted. The effort of trying to make a Wreckwood tank deck, could have been better used making a Portal deck.

Might as well have a sign on Adventure that says "Buy Portal!". Heck that's what I'm going to tell my friends if I get them into this game. Save them the effort of figuring it out.

catcatcat · 03-12-2012 04:39:39

MerlinCross a écrit :

All those crystals I spend making my Tsoutai deck, worthless. The time I put into making Marauder Pirates, wasted. The effort of trying to make a Wreckwood tank deck, could have been better used making a Portal deck.

Yeah I guess you can't use those decks anywhere else besides adventure mode. Tsoutai, Pirate Marauders and Wreckwood are all banned from the graveyard.

MerlinCross · 03-12-2012 04:59:24

catcatcat a écrit :

Yeah I guess you can't use those decks anywhere else besides adventure mode. Tsoutai, Pirate Marauders and Wreckwood are all banned from the graveyard.

I know it's sad isn't it.

Kilanjared · 03-12-2012 05:15:43

MerlinCross has kind of had a psychotic break here, hasn't he??

MerlinCross · 03-12-2012 05:31:46

Kilanjared a écrit :

MerlinCross has kind of had a psychotic break here, hasn't he??

Tiny one yes. Maybe larger.

Doing better after I got some rage out.

jackal19 · 03-12-2012 07:02:20

well oddly the new event did prove something that even cheap made unorthodox decks can kill some bosses as stated use your noggin youll find a way to kill those op bosses sooner or later <_<

Zurga · 03-12-2012 09:45:50

MerlinCross a écrit :

And Portal should work on Arena, I don't know what you're talking about. Turn him demon, swap attack values, win. That's what Portal does or am I missing something.

Amnezy too ???

You don't need portal at all to get to Kehperien.
You can use it with success only again the Eclipse deck.
The others ones don't have enough attack to be useful.

The adventure mode shows you some mechanisms of certain guild and decks type.
Even the AI is not very efficient, you can see some combo.

I remember you that in the dark tower, some mission denies you to use demonic portal, discard decks any mythical cards and a lot of others stuff needed by the deck previously mentioned.
Theses missions are to find others ways that the usual ones.

Damncaster · 03-12-2012 09:50:27

Pass me ***bip*** cards . Challenge Accepted.

***bip*** problem is that u don´t really know how to play Eredan. U all complain bout this game ain´t being creative but ***bip*** the ones that don´t put brain at it. Yes i said the game ain´t balanced but here i don´t admit that. This event is really easy. U MUST BE CREATIVE. I only play kotoba and nehant but i could finish the others with crap decks.

Dernière modification par Damncaster (03-12-2012 09:53:03)

MerlinCross · 04-12-2012 09:26:10

Zurga a écrit :

Amnezy too ???
You don't need portal at all to get to Kehperien.
You can use it with success only again the Eclipse deck.
The others ones don't have enough attack to be useful.
The adventure mode shows you some mechanisms of certain guild and decks type.
Even the AI is not very efficient, you can see some combo.
I remember you that in the dark tower, some mission denies you to use demonic portal, discard decks any mythical cards and a lot of others stuff needed by the deck previously mentioned.
Theses missions are to find others ways that the usual ones.

If these missions are to find other ways, why does everyone use the same 4 decks? You mean to tell me you made adventure mode to be beaten by four combos?

I ask for help and get told to make, Discard, Eclipse, Portal, or some form of Tank deck. No others. None. Those are the best decks to use. "Oh but you can use others and get lucky". Okay, other than wanting to pound on the wall, why should I try to make a new deck to beat the bosses. Might as well fall in line.

Damncaster a écrit :

Pass me ***bip*** cards . Challenge Accepted.
***bip*** problem is that u don´t really know how to play Eredan. U all complain bout this game ain´t being creative but ***bip*** the ones that don´t put brain at it. Yes i said the game ain´t balanced but here i don´t admit that. This event is really easy. U MUST BE CREATIVE. I only play kotoba and nehant but i could finish the others with crap decks.

Very well. I shall send you two decks. Please beat any boss minus the Zahal boss.

Zurga · 04-12-2012 09:57:19

I don't understand quite well what you mean.
You ask for help, someone answers that there are optimal decks to do the job due to specifics skills and line-up and you find that is broken because all decks can't win all bosses ?

I'm not sure what exactly you want.

MerlinCross · 04-12-2012 10:21:47

Zurga a écrit :

I don't understand quite well what you mean.
You ask for help, someone answers that there are optimal decks to do the job due to specifics skills and line-up and you find that is broken because all decks can't win all bosses ?
I'm not sure what exactly you want.

I ask for help. I get the same 4 answers. That is my problem.

I don't hear that Warrior decks can kill boss X. I don't hear that Pirate Mages or Lost Scroll decks make boss X an easy win. I don't hear that Noz Blast, Noz bloody blast, can beat that boss over there.

I hear the same 4 decks again and again. Why is that? Because they are optimal. Because they are good. You make a game mode that can be broken by 4 decks and then tell me the mode isn't broken.

I'm not sure what you're defending.

Caitlyn · 04-12-2012 11:02:18

those decks were suggested because they can beat the boss they are supposed to be used on with a high win rate if not 100%

If you want to farm bosses then you look for optimal ones that will allow you to win everytime.

You can beat the bosses with other decks but it doesn't guarantee a win and may require use of favors.

Zurga · 04-12-2012 11:02:28

I'm defending nothing.
I try to understand why you speak about broken thing.

Note that your "You" don't apply to me, I'm not member of Feerik.

Again, go to the Dark tower, all the 4 decks you mention are banned at several mission.
Go fight Amnezy, none of theses decks can kill her.

The standard big 4 for the Adventure mode are always mentioned because they are simple to play, not very expensive (non optimal decks can achieve the job).

Beside this, this event shows that others decks can have good results in adventure mode.

I can tell you that Ourenos / Rargnor / Pilferess have very, very good results against almost all bosses.
Not the same budget....

MerlinCross · 04-12-2012 17:12:41

Zurga a écrit :

I'm defending nothing.
I try to understand why you speak about broken thing.

4 decks break open the adventure mode. 4 decks. Most the bosses.

Why build any other deck, why buy any other cards, why put effort into other things UNTIL you have these 4 decks?

You will save time, effort, and lots of headaches by saving up for those decks. Until then, spamming favors and luck are what you have to help you in adventure mode.

Zurga · 04-12-2012 17:21:18

I still don't see your point.
What do you expect ?
To be able to kill all bosses with the mercenary starter ?
Having one deck for each boss with the need to buy 90% of all available cards to kill the 20 bosses ?

Each boss can be beaten by several decks.
No deck can win against all bosses (perhaps Dark Kaes can).

TheRainMan · 04-12-2012 19:47:40

I seriously dont know what you are discussing...

THE 4 DECKS ARE USED BECAUSE THEY ARE CHEAP AND THEY GIVE A HIGH %-CHANCE OF BEATING THE BOSSES

Why da hell should i use Kotoba Fighters vs Zil Boss, which give me ~80% Win Ratio, when Discard has 100%? Why. Just tell me.

Why should i use/buy Urenos for the Nomade Boss when a cheaper Zil Discard has the same effcect?

Why does this fact make the Am broken? i dont get it.

You can also beat the Bosses with other Decks, but that makes you gain less cards + use some Favors.

You can kill every boss with many diferent Decks - But the people use the cheapest and most successful ones, obviously

Dernière modification par TheRainMan (04-12-2012 19:48:06)

catcatcat · 04-12-2012 20:47:49

MerlinCross a écrit :

I don't hear that Warrior decks can kill boss X. I don't hear that Pirate Mages or Lost Scroll decks make boss X an easy win. I don't hear that Noz Blast, Noz bloody blast, can beat that boss over there.
I hear the same 4 decks again and again. Why is that? Because they are optimal. Because they are good. You make a game mode that can be broken by 4 decks and then tell me the mode isn't broken.

I'll humor you. Noz Dragon Knights have 100% win rate against Zil Boss. The cards in required in this deck are over 400k (Last Action, Best Defense and Draconian Swords to name a few). Ourenos and Admiral decks can take on a few bosses and those decks cost over 400k as well. Temple Guardians can beat Noz boss 100% of the time and cost from 100k and upwards. Is this really helpful to you? Would you rather people told you to save up 100k+ to make effective boss beating decks or would you rather use decks that are just as effective, if not more, while costing considerably less?

Why are you so concerned with Adventure Mode anyways? It's a small part of the overall Eredan experience. It gets updated very rarely so it's clear that Feerik doesn't want it to be a huge part of the game.

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