Tomorrow, Tuesday 29th May, we will start our progressive release of trophies reserved for new players. These trophies are made to help new comers during their first hours on Eredan.
On this occasion, the rules concerning the creation of Decks will change definitively: you will now be allowed to have from 20 to 50 cards in your Deck (in addition to characters).
We believe that this change will only have a limited impact on the competitive environment yet it will improve game experience at starting level.
Good game!

Is it mean that we can add 20 to 50 cards up to us?
Well,
so
Good Bye Discards

Sapphon · 28-05-2012 10:16:52

Nah, it's for everyone. Until now the deck size was 20, no more, no less. Starting tomorrow, the deck size will be between 20 and 50 cards for everybody.

inovix · 28-05-2012 10:58:14

I fail to understand how this is an improvement to the game.

It's a major alteration that, in my opinion, it will unbalance the game. Very.
How do you intend to balance the ELO room? Theoretically a 50 card deck start in advantage against a 20 one.
And the full decks available in store will be upgraded to more then 20 cards?

Discard decks will be useless.
Tempus decks will be very appreciated. More cards, more turns.
Decks who play [card]Weapons at will[/card], will get attack bonus that dicimate every defense. Same with [card]Items have a soul[/card] decks.

I am not against bigger decks. I think this could be an improvement if you allow a 25 cards deck maximum.

I could be wrong. Let´s wait and see.

hkttcc · 28-05-2012 11:10:25

Sapphon a écrit :

Tomorrow, Tuesday 29th May, we will start our progressive release of trophies reserved for new players. These trophies are made to help new comers during their first hours on Eredan.
On this occasion, the rules concerning the creation of Decks will change definitively: you will now be allowed to have from 20 to 50 cards in your Deck (in addition to characters).
We believe that this change will only have a limited impact on the competitive environment yet it will improve game experience at starting level.
Good game!

then what's the meaning of "reserved for new players" & "help new comers"?

when i first read this news... i was shocked @@

Dernière modification par hkttcc (28-05-2012 11:11:20)

sMuuth · 28-05-2012 11:17:30

hkttcc a écrit :

Sapphon a écrit :
We believe that this change will only have a limited impact on the competitive environment yet it will improve game experience at starting level.
Good game!
then what's the meaning of "reserved for new players" & "help new comers"?
when i first read this news... i was shocked @@

same to me
*shock*
Lets collect some Ihas and WaW

EDIT: I change my mind,
what happen to me if i dont get all that card until all my character die..
Hmm...
maybe we shouldn't put all 50 cards
if we put that much
we won't able to draw the core cards

Dernière modification par sMuuth (28-05-2012 11:19:45)

Pit_017 · 28-05-2012 11:24:11

In my opinion this is a great improvment for this game

IHS and WaW arent that much stronger with 50 cards u still have to draw the 3 IHS/WaW and even if you get it once you just killed 1 opponent char so you need the other 2

another fact is you still have 5 cards in your hand so you cant even discard your items/waepons faster

and anyway most decks have 2 or 3 cards they need for their strategy

ectasy for nehant demons e.g.
i dont think anyone will play with 50 cards i will stay with 20 maybe 21 or 22 maximum

hkttcc · 28-05-2012 11:24:29

sMuuth a écrit :

hkttcc a écrit :
Sapphon a écrit :
We believe that this change will only have a limited impact on the competitive environment yet it will improve game experience at starting level.
Good game!
then what's the meaning of "reserved for new players" & "help new comers"?
when i first read this news... i was shocked @@
same to me
*shock*
Lets collect some Ihas and WaW
EDIT: I change my mind,
what happen to me if i dont get all that card until all my character die..
Hmm...
maybe we shouldn't put all 50 cards
if we put that much
we won't able to draw the core cards

That's of coz is the art of forming deck!
more combination of decks and more fun!
no one say 50 must be better than 20-.-
If i play nehantist with ecstasy, i must put 20 only...if it is possible, i would like 15 though, lol

Dernière modification par hkttcc (28-05-2012 11:25:03)

Sapphon · 28-05-2012 11:24:53

hkttcc a écrit :

then what's the meaning of "reserved for new players" & "help new comers"?
when i first read this news... i was shocked @@

Because "reserved for new players" and "help new comers" are for the "new trophies" part ? ;p

@ Inovix : Well, if you had played some card games like Magic, you would know that "Theoretically a 50 card deck start in advantage against a 20 one" is a false statement
Let's see how ELO turns out. Discards aren't dead yet.

kisama · 28-05-2012 11:27:01

same to me
*shock*
Lets collect some Ihas and WaW
EDIT: I change my mind,
what happen to me if i dont get all that card until all my character die..
Hmm...
maybe we shouldn't put all 50 cards
if we put that much
we won't able to draw the core cards

I think that this is where the disadvantage comes, hence creating a balance.
Those who have played yugioh will know best.
But time will tell........
Nurvus is going to be happy lol

hkttcc · 28-05-2012 11:27:54

Sapphon a écrit :

hkttcc a écrit :
then what's the meaning of "reserved for new players" & "help new comers"?
when i first read this news... i was shocked @@
Because "reserved for new players" and "help new comers" are for the "new trophies" part ? ;p
@ Inovix : Well, if you had played some card games like Magic, you would know that "Theoretically a 50 card deck start in advantage against a 20 one" is a false statement
Let's see how ELO turns out. Discards aren't dead yet.

then...how to define new players?
players who register since tmr?

inovix · 28-05-2012 11:30:32

@ Inovix : Well, if you had played some card games like Magic, you would know that "Theoretically a 50 card deck start in advantage against a 20 one" is a false statement

I played Magic a few years back. Still have them. And bought a few now and then. And yes, when played stick to 65/67 cards. But that's why I said "Theoretically". Not every theory is true until put to test.

Cossette · 28-05-2012 11:36:19

the question is why now? is there somebody inside feerik who got a stroke and suddenly decided to change mode... can you change the rooms a well for the classic players and modified one this will be confusing.... 20s+5 sideboards against a classic 20s will be unbalance

(just separate the rooms is fine. before hell break loose tomorrow)

sMuuth · 28-05-2012 11:44:17

hkttcc a écrit :

then...how to define new players?
players who register since tmr?

From what i read
the trophy is to help new comer
but i dont see they write old player cant finish it

EDIT:
ups
it was written first hour
T-T

Dernière modification par sMuuth (28-05-2012 11:47:11)

Col.Beowulf · 28-05-2012 11:57:31

I too am confused. Does this mean Older players arent allowed to add that many cards? or what? "Newcomers/newer Players" how exactly does that affect people whom have been playing for years? Are we not allowed to get theses trophies you speak of? Please explain better.

Dandeman · 28-05-2012 12:01:41

I don't think this is an improvement in any way, rather it will lead to one form of deck becoming dominant, survival. Soon everyone will be playing only desert nomads or runic legion decks with healing cards (and 3x new start). I'm sorry to say, but I get the impression something is going terribly wrong in the feerik team at this moment. This is a really bad idea following another really bad idea in a series of bad ideas. Tournament of the million treason was a bad idea as it reduced the whole game concept down to luck, so building a good deck became useless for winning since u were likely to play against rather than with it (50-50 chance turned out to be in ***bip*** disadvantage of playing ***bip*** own deck), now trophies for newcomers only, to "help" them, so all the old players can go suck it for being around and loyal so long, now they get excluded from part of the game (certain cards) ??? I suggest the Feerik staff re-think these ideas as they're really changing the game and it's experience drastically by these actions.
(coming from someone who started playing with only 3 guilds in the game)

soulst3al3r · 28-05-2012 12:06:22

Dandeman a écrit :

I don't think this is an improvement in any way, rather it will lead to one form of deck becoming dominant, survival. Soon everyone will be playing only desert nomads or runic legion decks with healing cards (and 3x new start). I'm sorry to say, but I get the impression something is going terribly wrong in the feerik team at this moment. This is a really bad idea following another really bad idea in a series of bad ideas. Tournament of the million treason was a bad idea as it reduced the whole game concept down to luck, so building a good deck became useless for winning since u were likely to play against rather than with it (50-50 chance turned out to be in ***bip*** disadvantage of playing ***bip*** own deck), now trophies for newcomers only, to "help" them, so all the old players can go suck it for being around and loyal so long, now they get excluded from part of the game (certain cards) ??? I suggest the Feerik staff re-think these ideas as they're really changing the game and it's experience drastically by these actions.
(coming from someone who started playing with only 3 guilds in the game)

noone said its an improvement. it is just to change the gameplay. Seriously, who is really gonna put 50 cards in their deck? Games don't last long enough in most cases for that to happen with aggro decks, master mage decks, wild buds, and crystal storm decks still hanging around. It just offers versatility so that players arent discouraged fro mthis game the first time they face the unfairness of discard. Just imagien being a new player and seeign discard for the first time. This change allows them to compete while still learning the nuances of the game.

inovix · 28-05-2012 13:11:10

It is not possible to create a separate room for this change, in order to see if it have the necessary acceptance?

hkttcc · 28-05-2012 13:14:12

soulst3al3r a écrit :

Just imagien being a new player and seeign discard for the first time. This change allows them to compete while still learning the nuances of the game.

Col.Beowulf a écrit :

Does this mean Older players arent allowed to add that many cards?

I think you guys misunderstand sth...
1. Deck size change is applied to EVERY PLAYER including old player since Sapphon said this:

Sapphon a écrit :

Nah, it's for everyone. Until now the deck size was 20, no more, no less. Starting tomorrow, the deck size will be between 20 and 50 cards for everybody.

2. The only thing old player cannot do is the newcomer TROPHIES (of their first hour of playing eredan?), since Sapphon said this:

Sapphon a écrit :

Because "reserved for new players" and "help new comers" are for the "new trophies" part ? ;p

Cossette a écrit :

... can you change the rooms a well for the classic players and modified one this will be confusing....

Since the deck size change applied to EVERYPLAYER, i don't think they will separate 20-card deck or other decks.

Dernière modification par hkttcc (28-05-2012 13:17:32)

jackal19 · 28-05-2012 13:23:07

hmm the only upside is see is discrad decks are useless now

vampiricshaman · 28-05-2012 13:48:44

i think the idea of such a change in the game is the cause of the uproar it actually is a very good idea for a few reasons.

1) it makes deck building a bigger factor. the bigger you plan your deck the more core cards will be needed.

2) you wont be able to just assume your opponent has x many cards so you have to devise new strategies for smaller and bigger decks

3) elo may be easier/ tougher for players this depends on how they do now

Dernière modification par vampiricshaman (28-05-2012 13:49:59)

Stormholt · 28-05-2012 14:38:25

This is a big fail, it wont gonna stay by 1 week...

I liked the idea, but well, it is... well...

A nice thing is that 20 cards deck, will got an advantage becuz good cards will become faster, but loose for discart, and 50 cards deck will win on discart, but the luck is needed for use a deck like these...

Well i think that u guys should change the market again, it is still fail, i see cards that u cant see on market, but still got same small price, exemple: [card]The art of traking[/card](idk how to write it)

Tempest Poet · 28-05-2012 15:24:22

You guys just don't want to see that there are numbers between 20 and 50. I do like the change as this will open the path for new types of decks.

Xervos · 28-05-2012 15:27:26

Lets just wait and try it out. Just hoping that the new trophy would also be available to old players.

Gent M · 28-05-2012 15:49:48

This change might be great since it would allow your deck to contain a greater variety of cards that would be suited for more situations.
For example a Nomad deck can have 3 copies of harshness that won't take up the space of cards with a greater number of uses.

Big decks wont stand a chance against small optimized decks because, let's face it, in a 20 card deck about 1/3rd is made up from filler cards, so more then 20 cards in your deck means more fillers. (in a 20 card deck you have 7 fillers, in a 30 card deck you would have 17 fillers)

But I am a little concerned as well about the OPness of survivor decks.

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