Leorio a écrit :
Same as last time. One side was dominating the other, and then the rigging happened for 2 days to make sure the winner was the most profitable (even if the cards aren't that good, their market price is higher.)
i d like to punch you... all this rigging nonsense is so stupid.
everytime you say that... it sounds like its common sense that pirates are faaaaar better then any possible nomad combo and that they could only be taking the lead by having disguised as pirates and throw away matches... its an insult... to all the players that fought honestly for nomads and beat everything the pirates could throw against them. accept it...
me for example, i won 34 tickets in this battle all for nomads and none of these fights i can remember being against some disorientated crew of pirates put together by someone who desperatly wanted to lose!!!
as towards rigging a battle... that sh*t happens on both sides and thus negates itself at least to some extent.
again i m asking you, lerorio, to please stop the nag

It's like elections, the losing side blames the winner of cheating

jackal19 · 27-02-2012 23:55:04

blackwaltz a écrit :

Calandra a écrit :
Leorio a écrit :
Same as last time. One side was dominating the other, and then the rigging happened for 2 days to make sure the winner was the most profitable (even if the cards aren't that good, their market price is higher.)
i d like to punch you... all this rigging nonsense is so stupid.
everytime you say that... it sounds like its common sense that pirates are faaaaar better then any possible nomad combo and that they could only be taking the lead by having disguised as pirates and throw away matches... its an insult... to all the players that fought honestly for nomads and beat everything the pirates could throw against them. accept it...
me for example, i won 34 tickets in this battle all for nomads and none of these fights i can remember being against some disorientated crew of pirates put together by someone who desperatly wanted to lose!!!
as towards rigging a battle... that sh*t happens on both sides and thus negates itself at least to some extent.
again i m asking you, lerorio, to please stop the nag
It's like elections, the losing side blames the winner of cheating

Or he just cant take it because he cant beat nomads too i guess gud thing the winner cant be sued like real life politics.

Leorio · 28-02-2012 01:55:05

I always beat nomads since they have no longevity. Tbh, only pirates give me trouble now that I have cards to keep going back into the deck. Funny how fast you guys forgot about this
http://forum.eredan.com/viewtopic.php?pid=485470
and this
http://forum.eredan.com/viewtopic.php?pid=482830

jackal19 · 28-02-2012 03:03:41

Leorio a écrit :

I always beat nomads since they have no longevity. Tbh, only pirates give me trouble now that I have cards to keep going back into the deck. Funny how fast you guys forgot about this
http://forum.eredan.com/viewtopic.php?pid=485470
and this
http://forum.eredan.com/viewtopic.php?pid=482830

by the looks of it your changing subject matter since you cant win i guess if you find us funny i also find you funny that you dont really stop nagging about rigging what are you a broken record? also i find it funny that you kept nagging how op discard is and even gave a reason that shows that you are still not knowledgable about the game you sir are a one of a kind person a person that successfuly insulted me with his st******y.

Dernière modification par jackal19 (28-02-2012 03:11:22)

Leorio · 28-02-2012 03:21:33

Read the posts linked. They were evidence of foul play going back to one of the first battles with testimony from players.
Also, read posts and stop putting words into people's mouths. I've posted that most wannabe discards (I.e, bandwagons) are easy to beat since they don't use the proper characters, spells, and abilities. See:picture of me perfecting a discard deck.
I also just posted that I completely rock nomads because they have no longevity...while I play a deck that allows me to heal 7 a turn while having up to 12 defense permanently. Could go 15 if I wanted, but that's just overkill. Avalonians are nomads worst nightmare, and only lose to pirates and the best discard deck..which is Psych, Devourer, and Alcye.

Now...to get back on topic since you're trying to derail me with your meaningless insults. I personally had no effect on the outcome of this battle, and unless I decide to change my deck preference, will likely have no impact on any battles unless Mercenaries starts being treated as a guild, with its own packs and such. I'm just pointing out the obvious, which is that we have what is known as "Black Sox Syndrome."
One side secretly works (or not so secretly) to make the other side win for personal profit. In some cases, this has been done by someone and their alts/friends to make sure they get #1 in a tournament...and thus large amounts of crystals, which then becomes a large amount of cards, which in turn becomes an ill-gotten advantage over everyone else.
I would prefer if this was rectified soon, however I doubt it will ever be unless the player base speaks out. Of course, you can just say "stfu" to anyone who tries to shed light on the darkest depths of the game, whether they be bugs like the Thunder King Set, Mastery in Adventure mode causing insane damage, or the infamous "you lose now" no confirm button bug, or just a inherent flaw in how events are run that allows their outcome to easily be decided by a very small group of people...

Also, at the risk of sounding just as bad as you, here's some of your recent posts:

Looks like the riggers are hard at work again nomads are now winning

yes in this so called wars the riggers run the show

oh all i can say about his war is may the best rigger win which ever side wins i benefit so i don't mind who wins

im just a person that likes manipulating and weakening my opponents

You admitted the "wars" are rigged, and I'll let the last one speak for itself.

Now that I've gotten my just revenge...I apologize to anyone that has the dedication to read all of this. It may be a well-built wall, but it remains a wall nonetheless.

Dernière modification par Leorio (28-02-2012 03:37:20)

Calandra · 28-02-2012 03:56:23

Leorio a écrit :

Read the posts linked. They were evidence of foul play going back to one of the first battles with testimony from players.
Also, read posts and stop putting words into people's mouths. I've posted that most wannabe discards (I.e, bandwagons) are easy to beat since they don't use the proper characters, spells, and abilities. See:picture of me perfecting a discard deck.
I also just posted that I completely rock nomads because they have no longevity...while I play a deck that allows me to heal 7 a turn while having up to 12 defense permanently. Could go 15 if I wanted, but that's just overkill. Avalonians are nomads worst nightmare, and only lose to pirates and the best discard deck..which is Psych, Devourer, and Alcye.
Now...to get back on topic since you're trying to derail me with your meaningless insults. I personally had no effect on the outcome of this battle, and unless I decide to change my deck preference, will likely have no impact on any battles unless Mercenaries starts being treated as a guild, with its own packs and such. I'm just pointing out the obvious, which is that we have what is known as "Black Sox Syndrome."
One side secretly works (or not so secretly) to make the other side win for personal profit. In some cases, this has been done by someone and their alts/friends to make sure they get #1 in a tournament...and thus large amounts of crystals, which then becomes a large amount of cards, which in turn becomes an ill-gotten advantage over everyone else.
I would prefer if this was rectified soon, however I doubt it will ever be unless the player base speaks out. Of course, you can just say "stfu" to anyone who tries to shed light on the darkest depths of the game, whether they be bugs like the Thunder King Set, Mastery in Adventure mode causing insane damage, or the infamous "you lose now" no confirm button bug, or just a inherent flaw in how events are run that allows their outcome to easily be decided by a very small group of people...

you sir should read the posts closely... they are evidence of what? where did any of the staff member verify the "assumptions" of a few players?? i ve not seen this... maybe you have. the thread about sap against noz being a one sided battle may also have been caused for the battle still not being in the state it is now since it was a premier thing.

maybe you do see something noone else is able to see in whichs case i would advise you to go and see a doctor. anyways the thing that you totally ignored posts which have been direct replies on your 'rigged' conspiracy just shows me that you actually have NO, i repeat NO and absolutly NO little tiny scrap of confirmation towards your assumptions... so they simply remain such.

so you rock a nomad deck with discard? because they dont use longlivity? what kinda nonesense is that? actually you just proved again that you have no idea what you are talking about... if that was true then you rock immortals which is just one f(r)action of nomads. 1 or 2 priests with solar plactron attached will rock you instead.

again i would like to ask you to show me this incredible combo discard deck where you can push your permanent defence up till... lets say 8 (to give you the chance to realize it) and healing up to 7 points each turn PLUS still being able to play a discard focused deck.

personally i can understand jackal to be seriously pissed by your comments since you totally ignore other posts and turn a blind eye towards everything being said against your very idea. one could call this an ignorant behaviour.

another thing which shows that you have no real idea is that you seem to draw every personal experience towards ure understanding of common sense. just because you cannot beat avalonians with a nomad deck, doesnt mean that noone can... personally i find them as beatable as most other decks. avalonians are not just losing to pirates and discard... pure nonesense

i have to admit that not being a native english speaker i have no idea what exactly the meaning of the black sox syndrom is... maybe someone can clearify on this (i m quite sure though it must be some other nonsense not fitting here)

i ll just skip another comment on ure rigging conspiracy... its so annoying and tiresome as you wont listen anyways

your last comment on sheding light into the deepest depths of the game reminds me of the lightblinded inquisition... trying to see the evil where non exists...
yes we all know that this game is very far from being perfect, balanced, bugless and whatnot BUT you are going too far by accusing a big part of the playerbase to have an evil will of cheating the system to gain profits...

in my opinion thats pure sh*t. even thinking about thousands of ppl to think like that rigging would make them being able to buy boosters for the winning guild because then they can sell the cards in the market for a higher profit is plainly ridiculous.

Edit: towards the last comment you have found and which shows us how great ure argumentation is... here is the rest of the post made by jackal...

yes we need cards that counter those op one shot strats the game itself has gotten boring because you can practically one shot anyone nowadays im just a person that likes manipulating and weakening my opponents and slowly kill em and i prefer strategy over brute and brainless force but still deflecting op attacks is stilll satisfying though.

leorio just took what suits his argument the best and drew it totally out of its original context... here is the link to the thread:
http://forum.eredan.com/viewtopic.php?pid=501289

Dernière modification par Calandra (28-02-2012 04:12:53)

Leorio · 28-02-2012 04:37:58

Calandra a écrit :

you sir should read the posts closely... they are evidence of what?
maybe you do see something noone else is able to see in

so you rock a nomad deck with discard?

i have to admit that not being a native english speaker
i ll just skip another comment on ure rigging conspiracy... its so annoying and tiresome as you wont listen anyways

Evidence, second post, first thread clearly states

I had a 'crew' that used to agree to quit the game if the other person had higher ELO rating at that time. There are also people that run 2 accounts and if they meet 'each other' they bail...been done for ages that trick.

2nd thread, 11th post

That being said, I did randomly run into several players 18+ with decks of only level 1 Noz. Random mages with decks full of actions. So at least the immorality was on both sides of the coin.

Also, I said I use avalonians, which is a deck that can survive any attack easily after 3 turns. And I don't think I could remember all the cards in the ultimate discard deck, but it would be safe to say there was 3 of a lot of em.

Funny how you 2 keep trying to change the subject away from irrefutable evidence that he and many other players admitted to there being rigging, and him not caring as it benefits him.
I explained Black Sox Syndrome one sentence afterwards, by the way.

One side secretly works (or not so secretly) to make the other side win for personal profit. In some cases, this has been done by someone and their alts/friends to make sure they get #1 in a tournament...and thus large amounts of crystals, which then becomes a large amount of cards, which in turn becomes an ill-gotten advantage over everyone else.

It really helps to confine your attempted arguments to languages in which you are wholly proficient in.

Side note, since you seem to show some interest in the Black Sox.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sox_Scandal

Dernière modification par Leorio (28-02-2012 04:42:35)

Caitlyn · 28-02-2012 09:11:08

information on forums should always be taken with a grain of salt.

your "evidence" can be as bogus as me claiming that I am the CEO of <insert company here>, who loves to kill time by playing cards.

People wanting to get attention to themselves (hmm what thread do you think would be a good example? ) could make some sort of claim or another.

Again, they COULD be true, but really, aside from devs relaying game related information, no data w/o proper investigation can not be claimed as fact.

What people are trying to tell you is that even if there is rigging, it doesn't mean that only one side (the winning side) is doing it. Do you really think those who played pirates, kotaba, and sap heart did not think of slapping 3 level 1s and throwing games? please...

The reason people are being somewhat slighted by what you are saying is because there are a lot of people who put in time and effort into getting a win, by saying they only won because of "rigging" is insulting.

In my line of work, those who lose, whine. Whining is losing. Whiners are ...........

good day.

blackwaltz · 28-02-2012 09:19:32

Caitlyn a écrit :

information on forums should always be taken with a grain of salt.
your "evidence" can be as bogus as me claiming that I am the CEO of <insert company here>, who loves to kill time by playing cards.
People wanting to get attention to themselves (hmm what thread do you think would be a good example? ) could make some sort of claim or another.
Again, they COULD be true, but really, aside from devs relaying game related information, no data w/o proper investigation can not be claimed as fact.
What people are trying to tell you is that even if there is rigging, it doesn't mean that only one side (the winning side) is doing it. Do you really think those who played pirates, kotaba, and sap heart did not think of slapping 3 level 1s and throwing games? please...
The reason people are being somewhat slighted by what you are saying is because there are a lot of people who put in time and effort into getting a win, by saying they only won because of "rigging" is insulting.
In my line of work, those who lose, whine. Whining is losing. Whiners are ...........
good day.

+1, now we can focus on how OP the new pirate cards are

magius · 28-02-2012 09:33:34

Interesting enough I went against a full Pirate Lightning Mage deck using my Eclipse without Sentence. At one time he did a 18 damage, killing Mouktar and nearly killing the rest of my characters with Attract Lightning. But luckily Solaris and Incarnation pulled my Eclipse deck through with a win .

Gent M · 28-02-2012 10:35:55

Caitlyn a écrit :

information on forums should always be taken with a grain of salt.
your "evidence" can be as bogus as me claiming that I am the CEO of <insert company here>, who loves to kill time by playing cards.
People wanting to get attention to themselves (hmm what thread do you think would be a good example? ) could make some sort of claim or another.
Again, they COULD be true, but really, aside from devs relaying game related information, no data w/o proper investigation can not be claimed as fact.
What people are trying to tell you is that even if there is rigging, it doesn't mean that only one side (the winning side) is doing it. Do you really think those who played pirates, kotaba, and sap heart did not think of slapping 3 level 1s and throwing games? please...
The reason people are being somewhat slighted by what you are saying is because there are a lot of people who put in time and effort into getting a win, by saying they only won because of "rigging" is insulting.
In my line of work, those who lose, whine. Whining is losing. Whiners are ...........
good day.

Even if what you say is true, you are missing the point entirely.

As long as cheating is easy and risk free it is perfectly normal for players to express their suspicions. More so, not only is normal but from my point of view it should be encouraged as long as it is built upon solid ground.
Again I relate with your point completely - you and I am sure many others have participated in the war fair and square but that does not mean there weren't cheaters.

So your bashing of the "whiners" is counterproductive for the game, because it's Feerik's role to "bash" the "whiners" by implementing some solid regulation for the wars, so that cheating is no longer easy, and implementing some solid checks accompanied by some form of punishment, so cheating is no longer risk free.

I've mentioned some these solutions before and I will remind them in case, God forbid, someone from Feerik reads these threads.
1. restrictive solution - do not allow more then 1-2 points to be awarded between the same two players - really easy as the mechanism is already in place
2. expansive solution (as in expand the number of war related matches being played) - create a room similar with the "challenges of the courtyard" for the war where only fully leveled cards are allowed - more matches for the interested players, less benefit for the cheaters (they can't level up cards anymore) - harder to implement but more fun

magius · 28-02-2012 10:42:28

Gent M a écrit :

Caitlyn a écrit :
information on forums should always be taken with a grain of salt.
your "evidence" can be as bogus as me claiming that I am the CEO of <insert company here>, who loves to kill time by playing cards.
People wanting to get attention to themselves (hmm what thread do you think would be a good example? ) could make some sort of claim or another.
Again, they COULD be true, but really, aside from devs relaying game related information, no data w/o proper investigation can not be claimed as fact.
What people are trying to tell you is that even if there is rigging, it doesn't mean that only one side (the winning side) is doing it. Do you really think those who played pirates, kotaba, and sap heart did not think of slapping 3 level 1s and throwing games? please...
The reason people are being somewhat slighted by what you are saying is because there are a lot of people who put in time and effort into getting a win, by saying they only won because of "rigging" is insulting.
In my line of work, those who lose, whine. Whining is losing. Whiners are ...........
good day.
Even if what you say is true, you are missing the point entirely.
As long as cheating is easy and risk free it is perfectly normal for players to express their suspicions. More so, not only is normal but from my point of view it should be encouraged as long as it is built upon solid ground.
Again I relate with your point completely - you and I am sure many others have participated in the war fair and square but that does not mean there weren't cheaters.
So your bashing of the "whiners" is counterproductive for the game, because it's Feerik's role to "bash" the "whiners" by implementing some solid regulation for the wars, so that cheating is no longer easy, and implementing some solid checks accompanied by some form of punishment, so cheating is no longer risk free.
I've mentioned some these solutions before and I will remind them in case, God forbid, someone from Feerik reads these threads.
1. restrictive solution - do not allow more then 1-2 points to be awarded between the same two players - really easy as the mechanism is already in place
2. expansive solution (as in expand the number of war related matches being played) - create a room similar with the "challenges of the courtyard" for the war where only fully leveled cards are allowed - more matches for the interested players, less benefit for the cheaters (they can't level up cards anymore) - harder to implement but more fun

Doesn't matter if they implement the War Rooms or not. It is easy to build a deck with crappy cards but fully-levelled characters. If someone ones to cheat, they will cheat. I personally would prefer a harsher penalty on cheating (on multi-accounts, etc.). As of today, I don't think it is a massive problem.

Back on the topic, I personally think Guild Wars a supported by players who want to see a discount on the booster of a guild. In this case, most players are inclined towards Nomad as their key cards right now are expensive in the Marketplace ([card]Solaris[/card] or [card]Support of the Gods[/card], anyone?)

Dernière modification par magius (28-02-2012 10:43:01)

Caitlyn · 28-02-2012 12:33:54

Gent M a écrit :

Even if what you say is true, you are missing the point entirely.
As long as cheating is easy and risk free it is perfectly normal for players to express their suspicions. More so, not only is normal but from my point of view it should be encouraged as long as it is built upon solid ground.
Again I relate with your point completely - you and I am sure many others have participated in the war fair and square but that does not mean there weren't cheaters.
So your bashing of the "whiners" is counterproductive for the game, because it's Feerik's role to "bash" the "whiners" by implementing some solid regulation for the wars, so that cheating is no longer easy, and implementing some solid checks accompanied by some form of punishment, so cheating is no longer risk free.
I've mentioned some these solutions before and I will remind them in case, God forbid, someone from Feerik reads these threads.
1. restrictive solution - do not allow more then 1-2 points to be awarded between the same two players - really easy as the mechanism is already in place
2. expansive solution (as in expand the number of war related matches being played) - create a room similar with the "challenges of the courtyard" for the war where only fully leveled cards are allowed - more matches for the interested players, less benefit for the cheaters (they can't level up cards anymore) - harder to implement but more fun

I am missing the point because what Leorio is saying is that:

Leorio a écrit :

Same as last time. One side was dominating the other, and then the rigging happened for 2 days to make sure the winner was the most profitable (even if the cards aren't that good, their market price is higher.)

What I am saying is that you can't point to one side as solely responsible if and when there is cheating involved. Can he be sure that the other side dominated because of fair play? and not because the other side cheated as well during the first few days?

I do not wish to bash him nor anyone who thinks along the same lines. I have harsher words I could use. I merely wish to point out why people are a bit peeved by what he is saying. There are always two sides of a coin, and pointing fingers leaves nothing solved.

I dont know if you read the whole post, it does drone on a bit, which is understandable but I never shot down his idea that there may have been cheating, what I am saying is it probably happened on both sides and COULD not have been the sole basis of the win.

Regarding the Pirate Cards,

I kinda like Sarah a bit since she picks up those cards, makes ANS a bit necessary, it seems most people use her with other golems, which is good but not really that unstoppable.

I dont play too much games though since I am levelling some of my chars for the trophies since I need some crystals for some Zil cards.

Caitlyn · 28-02-2012 12:41:04

I'm not a fan of nomads, but seeing as they can also generate more Zil cards, I won't complain too much. Its nice to see the cards get cheaper but that means more of them on the rooms.. >_>

Maybe someday, when I have all of my Zil decks complete. I'll try them out too, and those NOZ Dks are interesting.

magius · 28-02-2012 12:45:56

Caitlyn a écrit :

I'm not a fan of nomads, but seeing as they can also generate more Zil cards, I won't complain too much. Its nice to see the cards get cheaper but that means more of them on the rooms.. >_>
Maybe someday, when I have all of my Zil decks complete. I'll try them out too, and those NOZ Dks are interesting.

Where is the post again that explains the association of between 2 guilds in a booster? Wish it was stickied.

jackal19 · 28-02-2012 13:40:48

Leorio a écrit :

Read the posts linked. They were evidence of foul play going back to one of the first battles with testimony from players.
Also, read posts and stop putting words into people's mouths. I've posted that most wannabe discards (I.e, bandwagons) are easy to beat since they don't use the proper characters, spells, and abilities. See:picture of me perfecting a discard deck.
I also just posted that I completely rock nomads because they have no longevity...while I play a deck that allows me to heal 7 a turn while having up to 12 defense permanently. Could go 15 if I wanted, but that's just overkill. Avalonians are nomads worst nightmare, and only lose to pirates and the best discard deck..which is Psych, Devourer, and Alcye.
Now...to get back on topic since you're trying to derail me with your meaningless insults. I personally had no effect on the outcome of this battle, and unless I decide to change my deck preference, will likely have no impact on any battles unless Mercenaries starts being treated as a guild, with its own packs and such. I'm just pointing out the obvious, which is that we have what is known as "Black Sox Syndrome."
One side secretly works (or not so secretly) to make the other side win for personal profit. In some cases, this has been done by someone and their alts/friends to make sure they get #1 in a tournament...and thus large amounts of crystals, which then becomes a large amount of cards, which in turn becomes an ill-gotten advantage over everyone else.
I would prefer if this was rectified soon, however I doubt it will ever be unless the player base speaks out. Of course, you can just say "stfu" to anyone who tries to shed light on the darkest depths of the game, whether they be bugs like the Thunder King Set, Mastery in Adventure mode causing insane damage, or the infamous "you lose now" no confirm button bug, or just a inherent flaw in how events are run that allows their outcome to easily be decided by a very small group of people...
Also, at the risk of sounding just as bad as you, here's some of your recent posts:
Looks like the riggers are hard at work again nomads are now winning
yes in this so called wars the riggers run the show
oh all i can say about his war is may the best rigger win which ever side wins i benefit so i don't mind who wins
im just a person that likes manipulating and weakening my opponents
You admitted the "wars" are rigged, and I'll let the last one speak for itself.
Now that I've gotten my just revenge...I apologize to anyone that has the dedication to read all of this. It may be a well-built wall, but it remains a wall nonetheless.

and did i continue to speak of them not anymore since its a well known subject now so pls stop making a fool of yourself and repeating things like a broken record your just proving how much you are on my last post kiddo. btw if your gonna use my own words against me make sure they work and that weakening my opponents that's my strat and not part of this rigging bs you keep whining about so if your gonna counter do it right dont embarass yourself more its getting funny.

Dernière modification par jackal19 (28-02-2012 14:38:20)

Limestone · 28-02-2012 14:19:03

+1 for the pirates lover

Caitlyn · 28-02-2012 14:34:45

magius a écrit :

Caitlyn a écrit :
I'm not a fan of nomads, but seeing as they can also generate more Zil cards, I won't complain too much. Its nice to see the cards get cheaper but that means more of them on the rooms.. >_>
Maybe someday, when I have all of my Zil decks complete. I'll try them out too, and those NOZ Dks are interesting.
Where is the post again that explains the association of between 2 guilds in a booster? Wish it was stickied.

Here, look for Zurga's post

http://forum.eredan.com/viewtopic.php?id=35668

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